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Post by otto on Jun 24, 2024 14:12:28 GMT
My son after Fellowship of the Ring, looking at the cover. "I loved it, but why were there no girls in the fellowship? Most action films have at least one girl!" Sigh. He's gone all woke. "Well son, you see in 1940s Oxford there was this thing called latent homoeroticism"
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Post by otto on Jun 24, 2024 14:12:41 GMT
NEW PAGE DING
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 24, 2024 14:16:10 GMT
My son after Fellowship of the Ring, looking at the cover. "I loved it, but why were there no girls in the fellowship? Most action films have at least one girl!" Sigh. He's gone all woke. "Well son, you see in 1940s Oxford there was this thing called latent homoeroticism" And you claim Jackson didn't get it?! Haven't you seen the way Frodo and Sam look at each other?
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Post by otto on Jun 24, 2024 14:21:32 GMT
ok you got me there
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 24, 2024 14:40:16 GMT
I liked the movies.
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Post by cubby on Jun 24, 2024 14:43:43 GMT
Jeez drhickman do you want otto's inheritance or not?
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Post by wunty on Jun 24, 2024 14:53:14 GMT
The books are great but there are shite bits. The films are great but there are shite bits. The TV series is an abomination.
Just registering my views for posterity. Carry on.
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Post by ๐ on Jun 24, 2024 14:59:25 GMT
boil em mash em stick em in a stew
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Post by ๐ on Jun 24, 2024 15:03:08 GMT
My dog's favorite word is Taters. He goes crazy every time he hears it.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 24, 2024 15:03:22 GMT
The biggest issue with both the books and the films is that they are arse-achingly dull.
/Runs
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Post by cubby on Jun 24, 2024 15:09:11 GMT
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 24, 2024 15:12:30 GMT
That's clearly a puppet!
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Post by Chopsen on Jun 24, 2024 15:27:49 GMT
New Life (2024)
Low-budget and lower-key horror/sci-fi type thing. It's probably best to see with knowing least about it.
It's rough round the edges, but it was still an interesting to watch. Helped by two very strong actors in the main roles. Hampered in the suspension of disbelief by making itself all gritty and real-world in tone, but constantly being open to the criticism of "that's not how any of this works in real life."
A films that has wildly different scores on RT vs IMDB.
I wouldn't pay to rent it, but I'd definitely catch it if you can.
6.5/10
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Post by Chopsen on Jun 24, 2024 15:29:16 GMT
The biggest issue with both the books and the films is that they are arse-achingly dull. /Runs Well, someone had to say it.
I've never made it through the books, despite trying more than once. The films I eventually ticked off, but honestly did nothing for me.
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Post by otto on Jun 24, 2024 15:52:59 GMT
The biggest issue with both the books and the films is that they are arse-achingly dull. /Runs I wonder what I would think of the books if I were reading them for the first time as an adult. Probably a lot less than I do. I read LOTR for the first time in my second year of middle school, so aged 8? and I became completely obsessed with them, I mean proper super-fan obsessed, for probably the next five years or so. The Silmarillion was my bible. I had hand-inked maps of Eriador on my bedroom wall. My school rucksack was covered in Tengwar script. My friend bought me the Carpenter biography of Tolkien for my tenth birthday and I devoured it. I still reread them every year or so, but the prose now grates on me, and I generally skip the Sam and Frodo fuck off into Mordor bits.
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Post by ๐ on Jun 24, 2024 15:57:27 GMT
What a nerd
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Jun 24, 2024 15:57:53 GMT
The Silmarillion was my bible. Someone get this man help NOW.
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Post by otto on Jun 24, 2024 16:04:54 GMT
How very dare you, I was a massive jock aged 14, all the girls fancied me
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Jun 24, 2024 16:07:59 GMT
As you know otto the comment is in jest - but it's also born of envy as I could never crack The Silmarillion, even as a kid who loved the background and lore to his favourite books. Also, for anyone who hasn't seen this recently: Tolkien explains why Gwaihir and the eagles didn't just fly the ring to Mordor. Always worth a rewatch:
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Post by otto on Jun 24, 2024 16:09:17 GMT
Oh fucking hell, thanks for that! Amazing, I didn't know about it - have always wondered exactly that, why the hell they didn't just bundle Frodo into a sack and drop him into Mount Doom from a great height.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Jun 24, 2024 16:11:06 GMT
Great isn't it? Not quite the answer I was expecting i.e. because there'd be no story to tell you muppets . It's even better.
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Post by otto on Jun 24, 2024 16:16:39 GMT
Hahaha is it real?? I mean I smell AI ๐
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Post by dfunked on Jun 24, 2024 16:18:01 GMT
I was a huge fan as a kid. Have memories of LotR being read to me (and being scared shitless of Shelob), then obviously moved on to reading the Hobbit and LotR for myself, and devouring any related material I could get my little mitts on like book of lost tales.
As an adult, they're an impenetrable load of bollocks.
The films are bloody great, though.
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Post by monkman5000 on Jun 24, 2024 16:22:34 GMT
The biggest issue with both the books and the films is that they are arse-achingly dull. /Runs The first film is the most bored I've ever been in a cinema, and I've got children. I haven't seen the rest. Wait, what's this, *another* huge battle with impossible odds pitting these 7 misfits against another 1000 orcs? I wonder who will win this time... /sprints
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 24, 2024 17:34:11 GMT
Those three arenโt the most bored Iโve been but only because the Hobbit exists.
Sit through three hours of whatever it was and then just as thereโs a hint of action about to happen it ends. Never seen the second or third parts of that.
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Jun 24, 2024 17:42:02 GMT
I think I only watched number one. Is it necessary to watch 2 and 3 to watch 4? I don't think so. 2 was kind of interesting and decent enough from what I remember, but 3 is just not much good. I'd recommend just going with 4.
Edit: It's kind of a reboot or at least its own thing anyway.
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 24, 2024 17:57:02 GMT
With all the sport on I've hardly watched any films at all recently but, during a lull in the football last week, I did see Inside Out 2 and it deserves the incredible (not The Incredibles) box office it's got. Not as original as the first one of course but very good and the new emotions as Riley becomes a teen are very good, not sure how much Paul Walter Hauser who plays Embarrassment got paid but I hope it wasn't per word as it would be a pittance.
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Post by ToomuchFluffy on Jun 24, 2024 18:14:03 GMT
OK, look, I know I go on about this too much and you probably all hate me for it so maybe I should just give my reasons for disliking the Jackson trilogy and then it's done and I'll never mention it again: - I think the thing I love most about the novel is actually The Shire - clearly JRRT saw it as an idealised rural English landscape. You see this also in his paintings as well as his beautiful written descriptions. I thought Jackson got this hopelessly wrong, I hated what he did with The Shire, it looked like Teletubby land and it immediately set me against the films right from the outset. Bag End was OK - I'll give him that - but The Shire - my God I hated it. - Elves. Rivendell. See above. Jackson just got them so badly wrong. This is subjective, I know. There was nothing of the mystical or magical about them in the film, they just seemed so hackneyed and ordinary. Didn't work for me at all. - Treebeard. See above. - Helm's Deep. Dwarf tossing. Archers marching in from Mirkwood. Just silly and wrecked any suspension of disbelief for me. - And then there was the handling of the ending. The period from Mount Doom to the closing credits just seemed to take FOREVER, and nothing happened, just widdly-widdly music and Frodo looking at everyone with big eyes. And they ditched the Scouring of the Shire for this?? It felt hammy, the pacing was all off, I hated it. - The casting. Actually the casting was mostly pretty good EXCEPT FOR THE HOBBITS. Sam worked for me. The other three just didn't on any level. Look, in between there was lots to like. Moria was very well done. Minas Tirith was well done. Rohan was pretty good. But the downsides listed above set my teeth on edge and I'm afraid radicalised me into the bore I have become on the subject. I honestly like how some of if was handled more in the movies. Moria and the Balrog were great and it didn't hurt that some emotion was injected into the moment when Gandalf returns. Sam and Frodo's journey in the third movie was quite well handled as well. Even though the Minas Morgul scene was another silly Hollywood "make it flashy"-moment.
But I agree that Haldir and the Elves arriving at Helm's Deep was unnecessary and just felt wrong. Aragorn "dying" and predictably returning was such a waste of time. Both the Rohirrim and the Ghosts kind of "flowing" over the Orcs seemingly without any resistance looked unconvincing and was over so quickly that both felt like Deus Ex Machinae. There are probably others. Overall they got a little worse with each iteration in my opinion.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 24, 2024 19:37:41 GMT
I was a huge fan as a kid. Have memories of LotR being read to me (and being scared shitless of Shelob), then obviously moved on to reading the Hobbit and LotR for myself, and devouring any related material I could get my little mitts on like book of lost tales. As an adult, they're an impenetrable load of bollocks. The films are bloody great, though. Can we also lump GoT books into that category too? I read the first 4 when the tv show started, and whilst they were a bit bobbins, it was a compelling tale (albeit one with hundreds of irrelevant pages as characters were dropped). I tried to start again, and yeah, they're even worse than that.
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Post by peacemaker on Jun 24, 2024 20:00:28 GMT
I wonโt tolerate any slander of tlotr soundtracks. Epic.
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