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Post by geefe on Nov 20, 2023 10:14:59 GMT
I really never got the sense from the film that the actual Shining was all that important. Danny felt like just a weirdo child. Jack was the one to be corrupted and sent mental.
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Post by robthehermit on Nov 20, 2023 10:28:42 GMT
The Family Man
Nic Cage gets his ferrari stolen by an angel who dumps him in a shitty povvo life. In order to get out this hellhole of kids and noise and crap he needs to learn the true meaning of happiness and family and all that bollocks, which he does and apparently lives happily ever after.
Or does he spend the rest of his days utterly miserable because genetics, circumstance and all the other fun real stuff mean there is no way he's getting the family he fell in love with and anything is just going to be a dissapointment.
My money is on him having an affair with the sexy neighbour and then topping himself within 5 years.
Less christmassy than I remember.
7/10
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Nov 20, 2023 10:29:31 GMT
I really never got the sense from the film that the actual Shining was all that important. Danny felt like just a weirdo child. Jack was the one to be corrupted and sent mental. I think the lore is that the hotel is drawn to people with that gift, and both Jack and Danny have it. But it's not something the movie is interested in, which imo is to its benefit.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Nov 20, 2023 10:31:44 GMT
Now I'm wondering how Kubrick could have possibly directed the "Jack Torrence was a nice man corrupted by evil ghosts in a haunted hotel" version of the story. Doesn't really seem his style.
It'd be like watching 2001 and being like "hey we should ask that guy to direct the next Star Wars!"
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Post by geefe on Nov 20, 2023 10:34:04 GMT
I think I'll stick with my view that the second half of the film is great but the first half either needed clarification.
And that Shelley Duvall had no business being in it.
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Post by rawshark on Nov 20, 2023 10:37:24 GMT
Honestly I can’t picture anyone else screaming their head off on the other side of the door.
I can picture one other person fending Jack off with a baseball bat on the stairs though, and that’s Marge Simpson.
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Post by simple on Nov 20, 2023 10:40:18 GMT
Yeah, it is pretty funny. There is literally one person on earth who wouldnt be able to appreciate the skill it took to take the book and mould it into that movie and its the author. Hasn’t he said something along the lines of the only adaptation which made good changes were what Darabont did to the end of The Mist?
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Nov 20, 2023 10:40:38 GMT
I don't mind Duvall's performance at all, really. She's completely paralysed by fear, and I thought that came across pretty effectively.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 20, 2023 10:46:15 GMT
Yeah, it is pretty funny. There is literally one person on earth who wouldnt be able to appreciate the skill it took to take the book and mould it into that movie and its the author. Hasn’t he said something along the lines of the only adaptation which made good changes were what Darabont did to the end of The Mist? That was less a change more that he just gave it an actual ending.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 20, 2023 11:14:58 GMT
The Family Man Nic Cage gets his ferrari stolen by an angel who dumps him in a shitty povvo life. In order to get out this hellhole of kids and noise and crap he needs to learn the true meaning of happiness and family and all that bollocks, which he does and apparently lives happily ever after. Or does he spend the rest of his days utterly miserable because genetics, circumstance and all the other fun real stuff mean there is no way he's getting the family he fell in love with and anything is just going to be a dissapointment. My money is on him having an affair with the sexy neighbour and then topping himself within 5 years. Less christmassy than I remember. 7/10 They played that on the plane from Belize to Guatemala. But it was 10 minutes longer than the flight so I never got to find out what happened!
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Post by simple on Nov 20, 2023 11:16:21 GMT
Hasn’t he said something along the lines of the only adaptation which made good changes were what Darabont did to the end of The Mist? That was less a change more that he just gave it an actual ending. and what an ending!
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Post by wunty on Nov 20, 2023 11:31:58 GMT
I'd read the book three or four times before I finally got around to watching The Shining. I fucking hated it on first viewing. It was too different. Jack and Wendy's characters too different. All the cool spooky stuff from the book had either been dropped or changed for the film and all the history delving that Jack does was completely omitted bar a brief reference in one scene. Not to mention the main narrative themes of the book of course. Thought it was utter shite.
I watched it again though, a few years later and actually enjoyed it a lot more. I've watched it a shit load of times since and I hold it to the same esteem I hold the book now. It's a different animal, but equally impressive and terrifying in it's own right. The Overlook is disorientating, with a complete illogical layout. Jack is unhinged from the start and you could argue that he's always destined to be in the Overlook. You can also start to ask questions like if he was ever Jack, or always the Overlook, reaching out for Danny. Shelley Duvall is simply phenomenal in her role, although you could argue the ethics of why she was phenomenal and how she was treated on set. The set design and lighting STILL impresses. I mean it's all studio work bar a couple of exterior shots but it looks fucking real. The violence is always there, simmering just below the surface. The score is a masterpiece. The whole thing just drips with dread from the opening titles to the very end. I mean... The fucking tension when Hallorann arrives, slowly walking down the foyer. You know Jack is there. You just don't know when he'll appear.
It's simply one of the greatest films of all time.
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Post by kal on Nov 20, 2023 11:34:12 GMT
The reason King doesn’t like the film is because the book is about alcoholism and how it makes good men evil. Having him as a bad man all along completely misses the point. I totally get why King hates it, as it’s deeply personal to him.
That said I still think it’s an excellent film.
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Post by wunty on Nov 20, 2023 11:40:11 GMT
I think that's why a lot of King adaptations fail tbh. His best work is the deeply personal stuff, which either doesn't translate well to screen or, like The Shining, the source is reinterpreted by a filmmaker who wants to use it to tell their own story.
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Post by wunty on Nov 20, 2023 11:41:57 GMT
Although I will concur that Flanagan managed the near impossible with Doctor Sleep and pulled off not only a decent sequel to the book (based on King's own flawed sequel of course), but also the film. Which must have looked like a near impossible task. It's not without it's flaws, but it's fucking good anyway.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 20, 2023 11:56:04 GMT
It would have been pretty much impossible for Dr Sleep to not be more of a sequel to the movie. There is so much of it that is absolutely iconic.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 20, 2023 11:57:25 GMT
The reason King doesn’t like the film is because the book is about alcoholism and how it makes good men evil. Having him as a bad man all along completely misses the point. I totally get why King hates it, as it’s deeply personal to him. That said I still think it’s an excellent film. Yes. He's been on record about his two main dislikes: that Wendy is reduced to a screaming machine and above all that Jack is essentially unhinged from the outset, negating any sense of arc.
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Post by geefe on Nov 20, 2023 12:09:21 GMT
Also film Jack is a lazy fucker, even with an easy job. Not once do we see him actually turning on the heating in different areas or checking the roof.
Honestly some of that would have really added to the atmosphere, seeing him do repetitive tasks over and over, all alone.
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Post by rhaegyr on Nov 20, 2023 12:19:07 GMT
Let's not forget the film also led to one of the best Treehouse of Horror shorts of all time.
Feelin' fine.
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Post by rawshark on Nov 20, 2023 12:25:07 GMT
The South Park where they replaced the Overlook with a Blockbuster Video was also pretty great.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 20, 2023 12:32:14 GMT
Let's not forget the film also led to one of the best Treehouse of Horror shorts of all time. Feelin' fine. The Shinning! Also, let's not forget the happy version trailer:
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Nov 20, 2023 12:34:28 GMT
Actually, that wasn't even the one I was thinking of, turns out there are various:
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Nov 20, 2023 13:19:33 GMT
Come Play
A 2020 horror thing about an autistic kid who sees ghosts via a haunted app on his tablet.
It's alright. Nothing you haven't seen before, but it's got some good scares, runs a touch over 90 minutes. I'm in no hurry to watch it again, but I enjoyed my time with it.
That title, though... I feel like they could have workshopped it a little more.
Jizz guzzle/10
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 21, 2023 2:50:23 GMT
[Rec] This was a nice fun horror movie.
I'd heard it was one of the better 'found footage' movies. It's good fun with a few nice scares (even though you know they're coming they're usually well done enough to get a jump).
I felt like the 'camera viewpoint' was less crucial to this than to things like Blair Witch though. As this is much more of a regular zombie movie, the viewpoint doesn't have that much of an impact, and it feels like it could have been shot almost as well from a regular 3rd person camera viewpoint. Though being in 1st person does make it feel more like they're coming at you.
It feels very much like a horror video game.
Is it worth bothering with [rec]2-5?
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Post by harrypalmer on Nov 21, 2023 6:42:08 GMT
Rec 2 definitely, it’s pretty good. I haven’t seen the others but they don’t look terrible!
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Post by rawshark on Nov 21, 2023 9:51:23 GMT
I did see Rec 2 and vaguely remember enjoying it, but alsothat it wasn’t as good as the first. Probably still better than the US remake of the original.
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Post by wunty on Nov 21, 2023 9:56:00 GMT
Quarantine? That wasn't awful tbh, more unnecessary than anything else. Same could be said for most US remakes mind you.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Nov 21, 2023 10:19:45 GMT
When I first tried watching Rec it was with dubbed american voices and I couldn't make it more than a couple of minutes. Luckily I found the original audio version.
I was a bit worried that reading subtitles was going to reduce the scares, but that wasn't a thing.
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Post by darkling on Nov 21, 2023 10:54:33 GMT
Master and Commander 8.5/10 I knew of this from the time of its release, but somehow had never seen it - probably as at the time child #1 was imminent and cinema going was not on the agenda. Read a 20 year retrospective and it caught my interest. Fantastic, really captured the cramped confines below decks and the frantic activity during battle above. A brutal life of the average sailor evoked without sentimentality and was surprised at how young the officers started careers. Picked up a bunch of the novels on kindle at a decent price so will dip in and see how I fare with those. Oh man have I got some great news for you Damn, such a shame it's a joke. I'd have been way more interested in this than any more Marvel shite. Master and Commander is just a phenomenal film. The overall story was simple, but it was the non-standard elements that really set it apart from other films of its ilk, such as the war vs science debate between Aubrey and Maturin, or the downfall of an officer who didn't fit the mould, crippled by self doubt. Not to mention the massive effort put into creating replica ships and practical effects. I don't think we'll see a film like this ever again.
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Post by kal on Nov 21, 2023 11:00:25 GMT
Peter Weir is very underrated. He’s made several of my favourite films.
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