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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2021 9:25:23 GMT
Odd bit of plot massaging is undercooking it a bit though. Every episode of Discovery that I watched made absolutely no sense.
I'm not talking about canon issues either, I don't care about that. It's the characters, they just do stuff. It's all absolutely stupid.
The format doesn't help either. You had episodes of TNG and the rest of them that were bad sure, but you could just reset and carry on the next week. If your plot is about a magic space suit or a mushroom engine or space tentacle monsters, you're committed to that and then end up jumping through hoops all day trying to make it work. Each season of the new live action Trek's buckle under the weight of their stupid premise, not aided by production, which they've admitted is ad hoc. They wrote the Picard finale the night before shooting. Ridiculous.
Appreciate times have changed and that episode of the week format is pretty dead, but BSG did blend that format with longer arcs to better success (it struggled to keep it up but was still watchable because the characters were engaging and well written, as were their relationships. Burnham just cries and everyone else is non existent).
I think on it's own merits, ignoring comparisons to old star trek, Discovery is a very badly written show. Picard was marginally better, but still, pretty bad also.
I'll caveat that I didn't watch S3 of Discovery, and I doubt I ever will. Maybe it really picked up the quality. It sounded absolutely stupid and the trailer just looked like more melodrama papering over a lack of substance.
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 3, 2021 11:43:54 GMT
I'll caveat that I didn't watch S3 of Discovery, and I doubt I ever will. Maybe it really picked up the quality. It sounded absolutely stupid and the trailer just looked like more melodrama papering over a lack of substance. You can safely skip S3. It has a few things going for it, I thought it wasn't quite the brain tissue killing nonsense that was S2, and for the first time I was alright with Michael--no outrageous fucking up like in S1, no crying into the camera all the fucking time like in S2. She's fine in S3. Other than that, it's a forgettable waste of time. As for format, I think DS9 did it very well. Much of it tied in into an overarching plot, but still the episodes held up as actual self-contained episodes. There was much more continuity than in all other classic Trek series, yet at the same time you could just watch an episode and it was rewarding on its own, contrary to DIS where many episodes are just "advancing" a lot of nonsensical season arcs. |
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Post by Saul1138 on Sept 7, 2021 8:13:36 GMT
Just watched DS9 The Duet, fantastic episode.
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 7, 2021 13:28:09 GMT
Oh yes. One of the all time best Trek episodes in my opinion.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 7, 2021 14:10:13 GMT
Duet is in the top 10 of my DS9 episodes and is one of the main reasons why I encourage everyone to watch the earlier seasons and not just skip to the later seasons.
I know some take the view that it's only good once Sisko grows his beard, but I think that's a bit hyperbolic. It gets better, but I don't think any season is worthless enough to skip entirely.
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Post by Saul1138 on Sept 7, 2021 19:56:54 GMT
I’d done a rewatch of Enterprise, TOD and TNG. I always hold up DS9 as my favourite Trek franchise. But I have only watched it through twice. Going back to it now, I still feel it could work as a format for modern audiences.
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Post by crispyxuk on Sept 7, 2021 20:34:46 GMT
Picard had good characters, it’s just too edgy. Star Trek has never shied away from things but when it’s done something it’s not because it had too.
The “must say fuck once per episode” thing is infuriating along with the 10 seconds of eye pulling - I really wanted to watch this with my young son which I’ve no problem with language used sparingly and Star Trek has always been a show suitable for all ages that deals with issues we can all relate too but I just couldn’t predict what we’d see.
The serialisation doesn’t work either, can we not have standalone episodes in between that connect to the overall story? Dragging a 2 hour movie plot over 10 episodes doesn’t work.
That said, Stewart, frakes and spinner were ace and I liked the general story bar the ending.
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Post by crispyxuk on Sept 7, 2021 20:40:29 GMT
I’d done a rewatch of Enterprise, TOD and TNG. I always hold up DS9 as my favourite Trek franchise. But I have only watched it through twice. Going back to it now, I still feel it could work as a format for modern audiences. tng is my favourite overall as it has the best episodes and captain but ds9 is easily the most consistent with the best overal cast, quark, bashir, odo, dax are great. Garek and gul dukat though are almost bones, spock and Guinan level |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 20:47:03 GMT
Picard and Data were ok. I didn't really feel that plot was necessary, but they gave them a better conclusion than Nemesis did, where they just blew him up because Wrath of Khan.
I found all the other characters pretty bad.
The blonde one who straight up murdered a guy in cold blood? Welcome to the crew!
Picard's mate who was on the piss? Had a kid plot which went nowhere? Does nothing of note the whole series? Welcome aboard! Oh and you're lesbian/bi now, we'll add that in for no reason at all in the last frame of the series because diversity quota (I'm all for diversity and inclusion by the way, but that was nothing but cynical tokenism).
The Captain was alright. And Data's daughter was interesting enough, though her romance subplot was bollocks.
Who else was there? Oh 7 of 9. She's now a murderer too. And lesbian/bi.
It's telling that I can't remember a single persons name from the show. Still, at least they've tried to write characters in this one, whereas in Discovery they're just background dressing for Burnham's wailing.
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Post by crispyxuk on Sept 7, 2021 20:53:06 GMT
Says a lot when troi is a plus.
Fucking kneelix would be more watchable than burnham.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 20:56:36 GMT
I didn't mind the scene with the Riker family, but even that was a bit of a fucking downer. I thought it would be some respite from the torture and murder and eye pulling and swearing, a nice catch up with some old friends from a colourful, optimistic TV show that I used to watch when I was a kid.
Nope. Dead children and depression.
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 7, 2021 21:30:16 GMT
Duet is in the top 10 of my DS9 episodes and is one of the main reasons why I encourage everyone to watch the earlier seasons and not just skip to the later seasons. I know some take the view that it's only good once Sisko grows his beard, but I think that's a bit hyperbolic. It gets better, but I don't think any season is worthless enough to skip entirely. DS9 didn't hit its stride in its first seasons, but those seasons were still very solid. I uphold that DS9 S1 is better than any season of VOY or ENT. Let's not talk about TNG S1. |
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Post by nazo on Sept 7, 2021 22:27:34 GMT
Don’t forget Legolas. He was in it for some reason.
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Post by geefe on Sept 8, 2021 7:27:58 GMT
DS9 is my favourite. I can safely put on pretty much any episode and get something out of it. Even Move Along Home. Also has the best characters and story. But, christ, when TNG gives Patrick Stewart something meaty to do, he fucking goes with it. It's no surprise that most of the best episodes are heavy on Picard.
Darmok, Measure of a Man, Inner Light, Tapestry.
It's funny but when you compare the writing on new Trek to most other TV shows, it absolutely falls over itself. It's that shit.
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Post by 😎 on Sept 8, 2021 15:46:49 GMT
A bunch of the better Trek games just got plopped on GOG. Elite Forces and Bridge Commander. No sign of Birth of the Federation though, which was definitively awesome. www.gog.com/partner/startrek |
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Sept 8, 2021 15:53:30 GMT
No sign of Birth of the Federation though, which was definitively awesome. High five for that. I loved BotF. Toss up between that and A Final Unity as my favourite. Hopefully gog get hold of it. |
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Post by 😎 on Sept 8, 2021 15:56:59 GMT
BotF is about the only game of that ilk I ever played multiplayer, and that was back in the days of dial up. I was the highest ranked Klingon player for quite some time.
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Post by 😎 on Sept 8, 2021 15:59:12 GMT
Also I suspect most of the ones revealed haven't aged particularly well. Elite Force was awesome back in the day, as was Bridge Commander, but even the screenshots have them looking extremely potato-like even beyond the aged mechanics.
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Post by robthehermit on Sept 8, 2021 16:00:16 GMT
My favourite episode was when Mad Murdoch had a run in with a probe and took over the enterprise so the alien could say hello without leaving home. No idea what it was called because I'm not a saddo.
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Post by stuz359 on Sept 8, 2021 18:06:04 GMT
The Nth Degree. I am a saddo.
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Post by BigOrkWaaagh on Sept 8, 2021 18:34:17 GMT
I loved the old point and click trek games. I know they have the TOS era ones, I wonder if they have Final Unity? I remember being stunned by the fmv playing that as a kid.
Edit: they do not 😔
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Post by stuz359 on Sept 11, 2021 16:43:39 GMT
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Post by nazo on Sept 11, 2021 17:02:16 GMT
Wow, that looks terrible. They usually manage to make the trailers look good at least.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 19:08:07 GMT
That does look pretty dreadful.
The last real ST was the end of Enterprise (and what a way to finish), all of this is just, well, telly people have to do something and all the ideas people died of fun related illnesses, so ...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 19:19:55 GMT
Looks bloody awful. Didn't even finish the trailer. Urgh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 19:33:15 GMT
Love Sir Patrick, but honestly I think this is one too many. Voice sounds so strained all the time, he's lost all his depth and nuance.
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Post by simple on Sept 11, 2021 22:36:46 GMT
Oh dear
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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 11, 2021 22:50:03 GMT
That's exactly what it looks like. It's the kind of thing that could have been a single episode, or maybe a two-parter back in the day, but looks like it'll be dragged out needlessly to fill the 10/12 episode quota. Stewart sounds tired  Will probably give it a go but my expectations have been set real low. I still have some tiny hope that Strange New Worlds might, just might, not be crap. |
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Post by simple on Sept 11, 2021 23:16:15 GMT
And how is Legolas still coming along for the ride?!
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Post by creepyloungelizard on Sept 14, 2021 5:38:27 GMT
I can't even bring myself to watch that trailer after the comments here. I just know it'll annoy me.
As much as I love Stewart whoever convinced him that he isn't too old to still play Picard, at least in this Kurtzman ongoing carnival of horror, is bordering on an abuser at this point
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