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Post by deebs on Sept 20, 2021 23:07:18 GMT
Oh boy am I out of the loop. I'm looking at a mid to high tier budget, roughly 1500 for argument sake desktop.
What are my best options to cut some bullshit? Pre-build, barebone or build it from the ground up?
I don't even know what videocards are worth a squit these days (has the BT bubble burst for that yet?), let alone CPU or RAM. Do I need some sort of 3000 watt chonker of a PSU now? What the fuck is happening?
For our new RPS chums that don't know me, I used to be The Guy on EG for this bullshit, they even gave me most helpful user awards for like 6 years running, so I know how to use thermal paste and plug case IO into the mobo.
What's the skinny?
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Post by zagibu on Sept 20, 2021 23:58:46 GMT
I think demand for chips is still high due to the crypto stuff, so prices are probably still inflated. But who knows when or if that will ever pass.
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Post by jetsetchilli on Sept 21, 2021 0:11:56 GMT
It's not a great time to be buying components especially GPU's. CPU's have also suffered shortages this past 12 months, even some Cases have been hard to get.
It kind of depends on what you can recycle from your current PC. RAM, Case, PSU etc. and what your expectations are with regards to output e.g. 1080 @60fps, 1440P or 4k etc.
PSU wise you are looking at 650W ideally if you want a great 1080/decent 1440 GPU (3060Ti). Good luck getting a 3060Ti at close to RRP though
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Post by Baines on Sept 21, 2021 2:10:06 GMT
Pre-built remains a gamble, because you don't know if you'll be getting cheap parts, cheap assembly, or even non-standard parts. Gamers Nexus (on YouTube) has been reviewing several pre-builts this year; they've had a couple that they considered decent and some that were absolutely awful.
PSU is going to depend on what GPU you can actually obtain, as well as the CPU. Just watch out for reviews, and be wary of any bundles that pair a PSU with a GPU, as they are probably using GPU shortages to push dud products. (Like NewEgg did with the exploding Gigabyte PSUs.)
If you look for used GPUs, you have to watch out there as well, as apparently bit coin miners sometimes dump their nearly burnt out hardware on the used market.
If you want to re-use parts from an existing PC, while it can save you money it can also greatly limit your options. Mind, that isn't always a bad thing, as it makes it a lot easier to make decisions. Just make sure you aren't locking yourself out of something else that you want.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 21, 2021 8:50:02 GMT
As others have said, it is a tough time to be getting computer parts. You can get most components, but the GPU is where the real difficulties come from. And, yep, much of that is down to crypto (just checked and start of this year apparently saw 25% being sold for mining), but also general chip shortage, shipping issues and everyone being into tech and games due to lockdown. When GPUs are available, you aren't going to be getting them for anywhere near RRP.
Pre-built might be a better option, although usual warnings around that apply. I assume prices are a bit inflated too, although for £1,500 you should get something tasty.
General component advise for today is AMD for CPU would be ideal. 5600 with 6 cores will probably be fine. 5800 might be handy if you are using the computer for more than just games. Intel will be fine if that is what you can get, probably want either i5 or i7.
RAM I would go with 16GB as the minimum, but 32GB will have you sorted for some time. AMD processor likes faster RAM, with 3600MHz being the recommended. Anything above 3000MHz will be good though. Pricing isn't too bad, so might as well get the fastest you can.
For GPU, Nvidia is still top dog, but AMD have narrowed the gap considerably. I don't know the AMD side too much, but for Nvidia at 1080p 3060 would be more than enough. 3080 or 3090 (which would be all your budget, if not more) are only necessary for 4K or really high refresh rates. 3070 would be good for 1440p, but may want to consider 3080 for future proofing at that res and if you have a monitor with 100+ refresh rate. Might be overkill though and will be pricey.
Storage will obviously be SSD. We are in a position now where you should be able to just use SSD and not worry about mechanical drives, unless you are looking for very large amounts of space. PCI-E 4 SSDs are still expensive though and you may want to settle for PCI-E 3 for now.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 21, 2021 9:02:53 GMT
I'd avoid pre-builts like Dell or Alienware (which, tbh is also Dell) but it might be worth having a look at PCSpecialist or Scan, who allow you to modify their pre-builts or let choose you own specs.
Problem with Dell etc is that the parts are often not that great, cheap PSUs and bad coolers, some dodgy bespoke motherboards, soldered parts so can't upgrade etc.
With Scan or PCSpecialist you know exactly what your getting, and they don't charge a huge amount for building either.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Sept 21, 2021 9:49:02 GMT
Don't skimp on the PSU - you want that to last. Go for a 700w minimum and gold rated - these GPUs are getting more power hungry with each revision not having to change the PSU if you upgrade in the future is worth it. As others have said, not a good time to buy a GPU - an example is the 3080 has an RRP of around £1000 but they are in the region of £1500 currently. I prefer Nvidia as DLSS is mighty useful (playing at 4k with 1440p performance).
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Post by Gruf on Sept 21, 2021 10:02:30 GMT
Bought my last 3 systems from PCSpecialist they have been flawless. Prebuilt prices seem to more reasonable compared to the whacky component market right now.
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Post by Phattso on Sept 21, 2021 10:20:53 GMT
Seeing as you're a Stateside Dweller now, Dirtbox, isn't the mania of Black Friday just around the corner? Feels like that'd be the time to get your build on.
Maybe start trying to source a GPU about now though.
If you want future proof for gaming, make sure you get a PCI-Express V4 board. That'll take the NVMe drives that are at least as fast as what's in the latest conslols, so if any games come out that mandate that speed you'll be covered.
Other than that, it's hard to go wrong nowadays. AMD CPUs have largely caught up with Intel, so you have a choice there. Nvidia is probably where you want your GPU bucks to go though - DLSS and their second gen RayTracing is the dog's bollocks.
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Post by Phattso on Sept 21, 2021 10:27:43 GMT
Oh, and I know you were a champion of the "8GB is enough RAM!" back when lots of people were shoving 16GB in. There's much the same debate now around 16GB vs. 32GB. I recently plumped for 32GB in my new laptop, and for non-gaming stuff it's a game changer. For gaming stuff, I'm not so sure. Anyways, 16GB minimum.
On the GPU front though, get as much VRAM as you can afford especially if you intend to play at 4K.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 21, 2021 10:55:29 GMT
Another thing worth noting, the idea that you save by going AMD instead of Intel/Nvidia is no longer true. They bumped their prices up when they became popular and competitive. It really is a bit of a much of muchness as to which one you go for, although Nvidia GPUs gives you DLSS and normally seem to perform slightly better, whilst AMD processors are more effecient and do better with multi-core computing (unlikely to have noticeable difference in games though).
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 21, 2021 11:12:05 GMT
i built mine around autumn last year and picked up the gpu over xmas and paid just as much for the 3080 as i did for the rest of the pc. i initially went 16gb but have since upped that with an extra 2 sticks to 32gb - the challenge was waiting for them to appear on ebay as everywhere was out of stock.
for the cpu, i went for the 8 core ryzen because the consoles are all 8 core now and i'm assuming that will be the baseline going forward.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 21, 2021 11:29:21 GMT
If you are prepared to gather parts over a period of weeks rather than wanting it all delivered at once you can get deals on most components and it's definitely possible to self build more cheaply than comparable prebuilds with one big caveat. As people have said the GPU remains the big problem and to some extent, it's fairly pointless spending much energy on all the other parts until you've secured one at a decent price because this aspect can take time. Still think the best bet is to sign up to discord stock alert services and try and get an FE from Scan as it's just about the only way to get a current gen card for RRP. Assuming you have the patience, it's worth trying this for a few weeks. If you don't get lucky then prebuilds are a way to get a GPU at a vaguely sensible price. Once you've got a GPU, the rest is pretty straightforward. I'd suggest setting up price alerts on pcpartpicker.com/ and www.hotukdeals.com/ for the monitor, CPU, motherboard, RAM and case you want. You shouldn't expect to pay full RRP on any of this stuff, as deals crop up all the time. As an example, there is currently a 20% off voucher for certain Ebay sellers (which include reputable components stores) and the discount stacks with existing promos. I had a look yesterday and there were plenty of PC components available.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 21, 2021 11:53:52 GMT
that what i did muddyfunster took about a month or so to get all my parts together and then i built it but left my old 980ti in there until i got the 3080. plus as Phattso said, black friday is coming.
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Post by malek86 on Sept 21, 2021 12:40:28 GMT
You could buy yourself a Ryzen 5600G or 5700G with integrated Vega graphics. It should have fairly similar performance as their CPU-only counterparts, and will give you something to fall back to (mind, I'd be surprised if you could play the more modern games at anything higher than 720p and low settings) while the GPU shortages continue.
Assuming you don't already have an older graphics card that you can use. So what do you currently have?
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Post by Goban on Sept 21, 2021 15:30:03 GMT
This is probably the wrong place for this question, so apologies.
The latest windows update has caused problems so I've rolled it back, all fine except it keeps installing the offending update when I turn on the pc. I've tried pausing updates but the pause area is grayed out and it tells me I have to install updates to continue.
Any suggestions would be welcome.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 21, 2021 15:48:00 GMT
maybe pause state is for downloads and not the install and since its already been downloaded locally its just progressing. Can you not purge the update folder and see if it is prevented from being redownloaded ?
<windows folder>\SoftwareDistribution\download
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Post by 😎 on Sept 21, 2021 15:51:06 GMT
I agree with all the advice about pre-built but I'd also add the caveat that it seems to be about the best way to actually get any components in the first place right now. I bought a pre-built HP Omen from Best Buy a while back that's served me very well, and it was literally the only way I could find to get the components I wanted for A) a reasonable price and B) actually having that corporate warranty bollocks meaning if my GPU somehow did get rinsed for crypto inbetween the manufacturer and the assembler, I wouldn't get the "lol not my problem" bollocks from a scalper. I did swap out the case, fans and RAM but they're easy to get hold of.
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Post by Goban on Sept 21, 2021 18:08:19 GMT
maybe pause state is for downloads and not the install and since its already been downloaded locally its just progressing. Can you not purge the update folder and see if it is prevented from being redownloaded ? <windows folder>\SoftwareDistribution\download I'll see if I can do that. Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2021 5:12:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 12:51:46 GMT
Looking a decent pc for my 12 year old gamer grandson. Anybody know best place to get a refurbished one around £400-£700
In the uk?
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Post by KD on Oct 3, 2021 13:17:57 GMT
Looking a decent pc for my 12 year old gamer grandson. Anybody know best place to get a refurbished one around £400-£700 In the uk? www.hotukdeals.com/tag/gaming-pcA general guide to prices and top result may be of interest.
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Post by apostle on Oct 25, 2021 9:33:16 GMT
I'm also looking for a new desktop, but not necesarily for gaming (but that would be nice), actually for game design with Unity and Blender etc. I'm normally coding and my laptop has been fine for that but recently started with game dev and the laptop is blowing. Is Palicomp pretty good? I've seen them mentioned a few places. I've not been into the PC scene for a long time, I have no idea what's good anymore, how is this (Google if you like) ?
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Oct 25, 2021 10:24:51 GMT
reg'd 2 days ago and 1st post with link to commerce site ...
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Post by apostle on Oct 25, 2021 10:31:34 GMT
I understand your suspicion but I was on EG for years under the name Apostle something or other. I only just found out the other day the forum had shut down. I can remove the link if you want, I don't mind
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Post by Duffman5 on Nov 24, 2021 18:46:38 GMT
Hi all, want to get the missus a laptop that can maybe run Baulders Gate smooth as paint. Budget around £1000. Any help would be great, looking to buy from Amazon. Cheers
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Post by Sarfrin on Nov 26, 2021 22:39:38 GMT
Baldur's Gate 3?
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Post by Duffman5 on Nov 27, 2021 8:32:12 GMT
Hi mate, They latest one might still be in beta ?
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Post by MadCaddy on Dec 1, 2021 8:34:10 GMT
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