Persona (Shin Megami Tensei)

4 is melancholy and a reflection on loneliness and abandonment.

5 is unbridled fury against the unjust world.

Both are amazing but I like 4 a bit more.

Without going into details I'd say about two-thirds through or so.

Can't decide if I want to get P3P again or not. The updated version would be nice but I already have the modded PS2 version on my Steam Deck.

Will be getting the Switch bundle later today, so hyped. Be great to have P3-5 on the same machine

The old place posted an article on P4G not aged well, due to misogyny and representation, but has disabled any comments on it...

Yeah there are certainly issues with some characters in P4, and they definitely chickened out with Kanji.

I suppose it's that argument of is it fair to judge something from the past with the eyes of today but acting as if it was made today as well as expecting different cultures to share your values and cultures. I'm not surprised comments are turned off but on the other hand it feels almost cynical to bring up something like this but demand no discussion about it just the writers viewpoint and accept it at face value.

I think it is fair to criticise old media from a modern viewpoint. People rightly criticise HP Lovecraft for being a massive racist, but you can still buy his books, and some of the things in that article are perfectly valid. Yosuke is a massive sexist and homophobe, Kanji is totally gay but they chickened out from saying so, etc.

I do disagree with the "Naoto is trans" angle though. IIRC she never says at any point that she *is* male and is in the wrong body. Her story arc is more a comment on how massively sexist Japanese society still is, and she disguises herself as a boy to get ahead in her chosen career.

Could be wrong, it's been a while since I played through it.

However, this is a remaster, and not a full remake. I would expect them to change things if they remade the game from scratch, and none of this stops P4G from being my fav game.

Quite a few of the characters in P4 come straight out of old Japanese VN tropes though. Yosuke is the male best friend who is always a piece of shit so the protagonist looks better by proxy, Naoto is the girl who dresses as a guy because otakus love that, Yukiko is the beautiful princess in a gilded cage who needs someone to protect her, etc.

That doesn't mean people shouldn't complain about it, but I can understand why they are the way they are. Atlus didn't look very far when they made these characters. They went for archetypes.

Working from home today, so been listening to the P3 soundtrack all morning, games downloading to my Switch for later.

Here's the entire live show from 2009 from around the time Portable was released, some good versions in this.

Oh for sure, I'd be down the front crying my eyes out during Memories of You or Never More

Cloud it on a laptop maybe? If available obviously...think phone might be bit on the small side for text.

I'm in the same boat though. XBOX or Switch in bed...

Is P3P worth getting? I read a review that suggests it was pretty heavily cut back to fit it on a PSP.

P3P will save you quite a bit of time if you like talking to all the NPCs. Instead of having to run around all the 3d evironments to talk to people, you just get 2d images of locations from the original and a cursor to move around

P3P also adds a female protagonist and a couple of new social links

P3 FES has quite a significant epilogue that's not in P3P so it's worth playing after if you're invested in the story. If you only intend to play it once, and you can emulate it, I'd probably say go for FES

P3P was my introduction to the series though and I wouldn't have an issue playing it over FES now for the main game