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Post by Whizzo on Apr 9, 2024 20:54:08 GMT
As much as I would have wanted that to be a penalty it really wasn't.
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Post by muddyfunster on Apr 9, 2024 20:54:30 GMT
Saka was looking for that though there was contact Id be annoyed if given against us. Think that's the right decision.
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Post by cristar on Apr 9, 2024 20:54:56 GMT
Saka massively playing for that. Only get those if you're Liverpool.
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Post by reddevil93 on Apr 9, 2024 20:55:26 GMT
The Ashley Young special not working for Saka
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Post by askew on Apr 9, 2024 20:55:48 GMT
Would he have made it had he avoided contact? I think he'd have gotten a toe to it.
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Post by muddyfunster on Apr 9, 2024 21:01:44 GMT
Both Arteta and the players should have learned a lot from this.
Seemed like Saliba was asked to play really high and I'm not sure that was the right call as it allowed them space to counter. Took a bit too long to get Jorginho off when it seemed obvious it wasn't his night. Maybe starting Kiwior was a misstep as well.
Bayern have quality forwards but I'm looking forward to having another crack at them at their place. We can open them up.
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Post by muddyfunster on Apr 9, 2024 21:15:15 GMT
Not normal.
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Post by myk on Apr 9, 2024 21:16:43 GMT
yeah, that match was ridiculous. Both ties were great, looking forward to the games next week.
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Post by Syrette on Apr 9, 2024 21:45:13 GMT
yeah, that match was ridiculous. Both ties were great, looking forward to the games next week. I now expect tomorrow's ties to be letdowns.
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Post by Dougs on Apr 9, 2024 21:49:27 GMT
Ooof. We started so well but then got schooled a bit I think. 2 mistakes, 2 goals. I knew Kane would score a pen, said the same after the draw. But they weren't all that and we still dug deep to rescue something. So slightly frustrating as it will be different over there. Haven't seen the challenge at the end, first thought was "why would he go over" and then an acknowledgement that it probably looked soft (but seen them given etc). Overall, inexperience cost us I think.
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Post by Kay on Apr 9, 2024 21:51:30 GMT
I can see why Tuchel is so incensed by the Gabriel handball incident, we definitely got away with one there...
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Post by Youthist on Apr 9, 2024 22:07:57 GMT
Apart from their never ending shithousery I would rather watch Real Madrid over City any day of the week and twice on Sunday. City bore the arse off me, anti wingers and tippy tappy around the box And the massive cheats thing grates
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Post by reddevil93 on Apr 10, 2024 0:11:09 GMT
I can see why Tuchel is so incensed by the Gabriel handball incident, we definitely got away with one there... Just after seeing the replay. That is absolutely hilarious. Memories of Gomes and Nani incident. Play to the fecking whistle you plonker.
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Post by Dougs on Apr 10, 2024 5:55:19 GMT
Didn't spot that at the time, but yeah, that's pretty dumb and we were lucky to get away with that.
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Post by jp on Apr 10, 2024 6:04:43 GMT
Allegedly ref had told Raya to take it again but honestly it didn’t even come up on the CBS feed and that’s just from an internet rando so no idea if it’s true
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Post by jp on Apr 10, 2024 6:11:17 GMT
Arsenal still look very nervous in these Champions League ties which is to be expected. A draw is a good result tbh.
If we do manage to get through I reckon we’ve got half a chance against City but zero chance against Madrid on the break.
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Post by muddyfunster on Apr 10, 2024 7:08:39 GMT
There was a line on the guardian podcast about how Arsenal have gone up a level from last season but to be able to compete in the last 8 of the UCL and for the league title simultaneously is like asking them to go up two levels at once.
Think that's a fair assessment and last night game was an illustration of how big an ask it is. Two sloppy moments and the tie is in the balance.
Villa on Saturday. This month is relentless, playing twice a week, and every game matters. I'm just not sure we know how to handle it all yet. Started well though.
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Post by Gruf on Apr 10, 2024 7:30:41 GMT
Raya still looks like a mistake waiting to happen whenever I watch him. Arteta has chosen to die on that hill I understand he is supposedly the ball playing GK of the two options, but he seems shit at that as well
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Post by zisssou on Apr 10, 2024 7:32:48 GMT
Raya coming out too far, Gabriel misplacing the pass.. it's all fairly unavoidable, which I hope they learn from.
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Post by zisssou on Apr 10, 2024 7:34:16 GMT
Raya still looks like a mistake waiting to happen whenever I watch him.Arteta has chosen to die on that hill 12 clean sheets says otherwise my friend. Nice try though.
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Post by Gruf on Apr 10, 2024 7:53:10 GMT
You are on the same hill my friend
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Post by muddyfunster on Apr 10, 2024 7:53:40 GMT
Raya's not at the level of Ederson and Alisson, but he's still quite young and improving. It's his first season at a 'big' club and in the Champions League.
He's just plain better than Ramsdale, which pains me slightly as I love that guy.
Arteta's mistake was handling the media really poorly and making Ramsdale vs Raya more of a thing that it needed to be rather than the signing itself.
Edit: it's a very crowded hill.
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Post by Gruf on Apr 10, 2024 8:16:10 GMT
I agree, neither of them are Ederson/Alisson level. Whilst he may improve do you need that in the middle of going for titles.
Well, guess they have little choice at this point.
He just looks nervous all the time to me, Ramsdale is the better actual keeper of the two, but not with the ball at his feet.
Arsenal's defence is very good despite Raya, rather than because of him IMO, plus having the ball 60% of the time in the Prem helps
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Post by Syrette on Apr 10, 2024 8:18:02 GMT
28 isn't young, goalkeeper or otherwise.
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Post by zisssou on Apr 10, 2024 8:20:08 GMT
You're entitled to your opinion, but the stats look favourable to Raya since the beginning of the season wobble with the Ramsdale vs Raya debate. He has the same amount of errors leading to a goal as Alisson does.
Also I think we had this debate in the summer, where we argued that Ramsdale lead to more errors at the end of last season costing us a lot of valuable points.
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Post by damagedinc on Apr 10, 2024 8:27:55 GMT
I geniunly think arteta thought he could have a rolling goalkeeper. Or elevate ramsdale but I think raya has forced his hand to keep him as number 1 and not mess about with it.
Ramsdale is a great character and was a focal point of alot of positive changes but raya is clearly the better keeper. It's a shame for ramsdale but that's elite sport. He probably needs to get a move now unless something drastic changes.
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Post by harrypalmer on Apr 10, 2024 8:29:11 GMT
Raya looks great. He's a level below an elite keeper, but even they have their wobbly moments. He's better than Ramsdale overall, for sure. His penalty save looked poor, he got totally done by Kane but can't say I'm too bothered.
I don't think Raya has cost us anywhere near the points that Ramsdale did last season, and he was a hero in the last 16.
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Post by muddyfunster on Apr 10, 2024 9:29:15 GMT
Raya leading the golden glove in the PL right now.
No 28 isn't young, but that is just entering prime age for a keeper. It's the right time to step up and with a reasonable expectation they will have the necessary maturity to handle it and get better.
Schmeichel was 28 when he signed for Utd, Seaman was 27 when he signed for Arsenal.
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Post by muddyfunster on Apr 10, 2024 11:08:09 GMT
I can see why Tuchel is so incensed by the Gabriel handball incident, we definitely got away with one there... I didn't even notice this at the time. Whilst technically it is of course a penalty, it would have been a farce in terms of consistency. There's zero intent or tangible advantage gained and IFAB have clarified it's not in the spirit of the rules for VAR to nitpick after previous cases. I thought the ref was pretty good relative to the usual PL standards. Good explanation here: www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/39912364/the-var-review-saka-penalty-gabriel-handball-kane-red-card
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Post by zisssou on Apr 10, 2024 12:12:17 GMT
Shame Rio can't read though.
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