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Post by Nemesis on Jun 12, 2024 17:22:57 GMT
Enjoy your Wet Leg! We're going in a week so we get Courtney Barnett and she's alright in my book. I don’t care for Wet Leg tbh but won’t be there early enough anyway. Likewise, enjoy. Honestly, I’ll be killing time until the main event!
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Post by hicksy on Jun 12, 2024 19:54:51 GMT
Make sure you see Hot Milk in support. They are terrific live!
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Post by hicksy on Jun 12, 2024 20:03:08 GMT
Foo Fighters tomorrow. …at Old Trafford cricket ground and it’s a heinous venue with one of the worst sounds I’ve ever heard… Hope it’s alright. I’m sure it will be an endurance test. Hope they have enough toilet facilities! Saw Artic Monkeys there once (about 10 yrs ago or so) and they had hardly any facilities. The gents was in the basement under the main stands where we were sat. Reached busting point so headed down. Stepped off the last step and instantly got a wet foot thinking wtf must be a water leak. Nope. About 2 inches of piss across the entire basement increasing by the minute. Lovely. Same gig I was incredibly thankful we took the decision to stay in the stand at the back of the venue rather than moving forward into the crowd. When they played I Bet You Look Good in the Dancefloor I have never seen so many bottles (probably half or more of piss) get launched into the air towards the middle front of the crowd. It was like an open field war scene from something like LotR when the sky turns black from the amount of arrows shot into the sky. AM were amazing though! Played Leave Before the Lights Come On which is probably my favourite AM song.
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Post by motti82 on Jun 12, 2024 21:10:49 GMT
Foo Fighters tomorrow. On the one hand one of my very favourite bands, have fastidiously collected all the LPs and haven’t seen them since my teens. On the other at Old Trafford cricket ground and it’s a heinous venue with one of the worst sounds I’ve ever heard. Been there twice in recent years, to see the Killers and RHCP. The Killers in particular was just white noise. Hope it’s alright. I’m sure it will be an endurance test. Come back with tactics! We bought tickets for Thursday before they announced the Saturday add-on. Managed to sell on the tickets for tomorrow to some friends. We will do our best to get unreserved seating if possible, and prepare to starve as you can't take any food or drink into the arena. Rumours are that FF are on stage at 7.30 and playing for 3 hours.
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Jun 13, 2024 2:19:28 GMT
Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 13, 2024 2:19:28 GMT
interesting. I think I'm getting to my post-Covid revenge spending late, as I have my first Gig tonight, and I've spent way too much on tickets for this year. The market here is kinda different, but the ticket prices for big international artists are kinda eye-watering. There are very few cheap seats, even for the ones miles away and in a shitty position. Because big international artists coming here is still relatively rare, they do tend to sell out though. I've been waiting for the Black Keys to come... but they haven't shown up yet. I wouldn't have thought of them as a Stadium band anyway. More mid-size, although I dunno how many of those venues are around. I wonder about a lot of newer 'Spotify/TikTok' artists supporting tours, as they often blow up really huge with one or two songs, but I wonder if that audience is likely to want to watch an entire set 9 months later when they come around?
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 13, 2024 14:46:45 GMT
So, I actually did it! I blew it all up went to a gig!
The Warning in Shibuya.
It's been so long since I've been to a gig, probably nearly 20 years, but it was as good as I remembered.
Band was great. Venue not so great due to being a tiny box in the second floor basement that either needed a higher stage or the band are pretty short. So close to the stage, but not great visibility. Acoustics were good though.
I'd always heard that gigs in Japan were really short, and that felt like the case. Though again it's been so long that it's hard to remember. Set was basically 1 hour exactly, plus a 10 minute encore. Felt short. They did burn through a lot of songs in that time though.
Was interested to see what Japanese audiences are like, and it turns out they love singing along.
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Post by gamingdave on Jun 13, 2024 14:55:15 GMT
A lack of mid-size venues is definitely a problem, as is the whole LiveNation monopoly. I find it hard to feel bad for the big players, the mega stars who already have more money than they will ever need, but it does have a knock on to all the people who earn a living supporting and running tours/events, and I do feel for them. The massive venue owners and ticket companies can generally get in the bin though - especially venues that then take a cut of the bands merch sales (though smaller ones are guilty of that too). Personally though I don't like huge venues, and much prefer a small room where you can get close to the band. Brixton Academy (~5,000) and the Roundhouse (~3,500) are great sizes, you get that sense of scale but still a "good view" if you can get nearer the front (but you can see the stage from most spots fine, and even at the back the artists aren't tiny), but I prefer sub 1,500 and ideally 500 capacity venues. Thankfully the bands I want to see are normally in those sort of venues too. Recent gigs I've been too: - Cola - playing in The George Tavern (150 capacity) doing two nights - I would have thought they could fill much larger venues, but appreciated being able to see them up so close, essentially in a pub with the tables pushed to the side
- Fat White Family - played at Rough Trade East (300) - not a full gig, but a great atmosphere as they played through most of the new album
- Ovlov - played at the Moth Club (400) - managed to get right to the front between the support bands, which is a plus, because as much as I love the venue, the stage is really low and if you are even a few rows back, you basically can't see the band
Was supposed to have seen Scott Lavene on Monday at the Lexington (200) but was unwell so missed it.
This month I have: - Chastity Belt at Village Underground (700)
- Fat White Family at The Troxy (3000, but including the upstairs seating)
- The Breeders at The Garage (600)
- The Breeders at The Troxy - might pass on now I have them 2 days earlier in a more intimate venue
I'll be near the front (or at least more than half way from the stage) for them all if I can.
So I'm getting to see some bands I love, in decent sized venues, but I'm in London - the rest of the country really isn't as blessed. The people I worry the most for are the owners of small venues, the bands that play in them, and the ancillary staff. They are getting hit on so many sides and far too many venues are closing. There seems to be this argument trotted out that they are needed so the "stars of the future" have somewhere to play - but that's totally missing the point. These venues are important as there are lots of amazing bands who will never get big, and don't really want too. They are happy playing to crowds of a few hundred people at a time who love what they do - and it gives gig goers variety and choice. Small venues allow DIY promoters to get involved and build communities, they allow for sub-cultures to be born, and they allow bands/fans to have more of a connection.
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Jun 13, 2024 15:03:36 GMT
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Post by simple on Jun 13, 2024 15:03:36 GMT
In Newcastle you’ve got a few hundred-ish capacity, a couple nearer 200-300, then you jump up to a couple around 1000-1500, one at 2500 and then the arena which is 9 or 10k.
Boilershop is a 1000 cap but its in an old works building beside the train station so it feels enormous. Its like a Victorian warehouse or something.
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Jun 13, 2024 15:11:40 GMT
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Post by dmukgr on Jun 13, 2024 15:11:40 GMT
What’s Newcastle like for getting acts appearing there these days?
When I lived in Sunderland for uni I saw loads of bands that would travel - nirvana, Jane’s addiction, Bowie (tin machine), the cult, Lush, NIN etc. that I wonder if today’s equivalent still go up there.
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Post by dmukgr on Jun 13, 2024 15:12:01 GMT
The riverside was a great venue.
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Post by gamingdave on Jun 13, 2024 15:42:22 GMT
In Newcastle you’ve got a few hundred-ish capacity, a couple nearer 200-300, then you jump up to a couple around 1000-1500, one at 2500 and then the arena which is 9 or 10k. Boilershop is a 1000 cap but its in an old works building beside the train station so it feels enormous. Its like a Victorian warehouse or something. I grew up in Northumberland, and lived there for a while recently before moving back to London. Newcastle has some cracking venues - seen lots of great bands at The Cluny, saw Idles play in Think Tank before they got big in front of about 150 people, as a kid saw Motorhead play City Hall, and Bodycount play (I think) the student union. One of the best Pixies shows I ever went too (and I have been to a lot) was at the Academy. My first gig was Neds Atomic Dustbin at the Mayfair (such a shame that closed, was a great venue). Not been in the BoilerShop but hear it's a cracking venue. It's not just any Victorian warehouse though (technically it's late Georgian) - it's where Robert Stephenson built the Rocket!
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Post by gamingdave on Jun 13, 2024 15:45:21 GMT
When I was back there, I would find a lot of big acts sometimes skipped Newcastle and jumped from Manchester/Liverpool straight to Glasgow/Edinburgh.
But smaller bands - and a surprising amount of US bands I was/am into - all included Newcastle on the tour.
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Jun 13, 2024 17:11:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2024 17:11:27 GMT
Foos not going well so far.
Can’t get near the place for traffic. Tried parking near United at the usual spots there and all closed. Now in a monster jam. Mid week gigs suck.
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Post by simple on Jun 13, 2024 17:15:20 GMT
I think we missed out on a lot of bands who’d be playing places like the Barras or Manchester Apollo for a long time because the City Hall was all seater so there wasn’t much between the unis and Academy (600-1500 depending on which rooms were used) and then the arena. Certainly after the Mayfair was demolished.
The City Hall can now be made standing and its very noticeable that some bigger midtier bands are coming back to the city again.
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Foo Fighters. Setlist spoilers ahead.
Long gig. Don’t know how people got there early enough for the support acts unless they are off work.
A long set - they came on at about 7.40 and came off at 10.15. Pretty good set list, and a lot of stuff from Nothing Left to Lose that wasn’t just Learn to Fly and Breakout. In fact there was no Breakout - but there was Aurora, Generator and best of all…Stacked Actors! Mint. Also didn’t expect This is a Call.
Acoustic version of Under You and a sole pigeon flew over the crowd and landed on the speaker tower. I determined that the pigeon was in fact the spirit of Taylor Hawkins.
They did the full Teacher. Dave played the Jimmy Page double neck SG for it. And it genuinely came across Zeppelinesque live. Extremely powerful. Hated the fact that the casual rude c*nts around were having loud conversations during the quiet bits - it’s about his mother passing, show a bit of respect man!
I’m sure they debuted a new song tonight, either that or it’s one I’ve forgotten.
Anyway it was pretty great. Rami’s keyboard solo was hilarious. That guy is a riot and you should watch Studio 666 if you don’t believe me - he steals it.
Josh Freese - obviously an immensely good drummer, and I’m glad they have kept going but he’s not the same. In fact for somebody with a punk background he sure keeps the tempos mid - I always remember Taylor pushing them faster than the record. I missed that and I miss Taylor Hawkins a lot.
Sound wasn’t actually too bad for the cricket ground - miles ahead of The Killers who were just white noise - that was one of the louder gigs I’ve ever been too though, which will have been the issue.
The main sound issues this time were slightly overpowering drums and the usual thing at that venue where the wind just seems to blow the sound everywhere - it sounds at times like they are playing through rotating speakers!
I remembered my earplugs this time - I’ve got those trendy Loop ones. I used them periodically, not throughout so I do have some ringing. You can definitely hear the instruments better with them in. You still actually get the kick in the chest thing with them but sonically it does have the side effect of stripping power. I think they are going to prove useful for using with my own band though.
Somebody asked for tips/tactics about the venue I think - watch where you park firstly. Maybe research it a bit or ask somebody that really knows the city. We ended up parked about a mile up a turning that ran by the canal opposite Victoria Warehouse and the anchor statue - it was a real trek from there, through and past United and then further still to the cricket ground.
If you like me are too old to be getting up front, there will be loads of space at the back, but push through the crowd under the entrance bridge walkway and keep going round - you can get the impression that it’s rammed to the back and it isn’t. Look for where the (pitch? Green? I really don’t know cricket!) covering is white and that’s the area with space. Behind and to the sides there, there is unreserved seating in the stands and unless there are 20 of you or something I would not foresee problems if that’s what you wanna do.
The main stands have their own toilets and a small bar away from the big crowd too. Although there were screens, in that area and high up you are divorced from the atmosphere a bit though, so stay on the floor and get forward a bit if this is important to you.
Allow a bit of time to enter the ground too as the queues for the gates are massive - they have multiple gates so don’t feel awkward walking past the crowd a bit to find an alternative.
Apologies for the long post! The main theme is that the last honest arena rock band still largely have it. And I haven’t seen them since the NLTL tour, when they were at The Apollo.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 14, 2024 5:19:56 GMT
Sounds like it was just what you needed, despite the parking/traffic headaches. I've only seen the Foos once at the IW Festival and they were immense. Would love to see them at a proper venue.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 14, 2024 5:24:19 GMT
Timings are out for the IW Festival next weekend. I have a few choices to make - main one being Johnny Marr up against Prodigy. Very different acts - love Marr and I've managed to miss The Prodigy both other times they've played here, which always seems a shame. Leaning towards Marr tbh, but would be on my own as my wife doesn't really care about Marr. Which, errm, marrs the fun a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2024 6:52:33 GMT
I too like both of them but for me that’s an easy Prodigy. I can’t even imagine what that is going to sound like live. Plus Johnny Marr is always out and about.
Although I don’t know what the Prodge will be like without Flint and their last consistently great album was Always Outnumbered.
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Post by hicksy on Jun 14, 2024 6:55:46 GMT
Watched Sea Girls play Kingston Pryzm last night as the new Midnight Butterflies album launch show (Banquet Records store).
Considering the ticket is included what must be at cost with the new album (about £5 on top of the regular cd RRP) they played for 1hr 10mins and mixed the new material up with a selection of older bangers. Clearly well up for the evening with the midnight album release and it showed.
About the 5th time I've seen Sea Girls live now and loved it every time and last night was no different. High energy anthemic emotive indie with catchy hooks and relateable lyrics. Especially liked one number where they stripped back to one acoustic guitar and the group front of stage singing harmonies.
Will see them again at Pompey Guildhall late this year but can't imagine it will be that much better really. Great to see a band steadily climbing the ranks but still humble enough to keep giving back to the fans (quite frankly they could have just done 20mins and called it for £5 and it still would have been good value!).
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Jun 14, 2024 7:36:33 GMT
Post by motti82 on Jun 14, 2024 7:36:33 GMT
Foo Fighters. Setlist spoilers ahead. Long gig. Don’t know how people got there early enough for the support acts unless they are off work. A long set - they came on at about 7.40 and came off at 10.15. Pretty good set list, and a lot of stuff from Nothing Left to Lose that wasn’t just Learn to Fly and Breakout. In fact there was no Breakout - but there was Aurora, Generator and best of all…Stacked Actors! Mint. Also didn’t expect This is a Call. Acoustic version of Under You and a sole pigeon flew over the crowd and landed on the speaker tower. I determined that the pigeon was in fact the spirit of Taylor Hawkins. They did the full Teacher. Dave played the Jimmy Page double neck SG for it. And it genuinely came across Zeppelinesque live. Extremely powerful. Hated the fact that the casual rude c*nts around were having loud conversations during the quiet bits - it’s about his mother passing, show a bit of respect man! I’m sure they debuted a new song tonight, either that or it’s one I’ve forgotten. Anyway it was pretty great. Rami’s keyboard solo was hilarious. That guy is a riot and you should watch Studio 666 if you don’t believe me - he steals it. Josh Freese - obviously an immensely good drummer, and I’m glad they have kept going but he’s not the same. In fact for somebody with a punk background he sure keeps the tempos mid - I always remember Taylor pushing them faster than the record. I missed that and I miss Taylor Hawkins a lot. Sound wasn’t actually too bad for the cricket ground - miles ahead of The Killers who were just white noise - that was one of the louder gigs I’ve ever been too though, which will have been the issue. The main sound issues this time were slightly overpowering drums and the usual thing at that venue where the wind just seems to blow the sound everywhere - it sounds at times like they are playing through rotating speakers! I remembered my earplugs this time - I’ve got those trendy Loop ones. I used them periodically, not throughout so I do have some ringing. You can definitely hear the instruments better with them in. You still actually get the kick in the chest thing with them but sonically it does have the side effect of stripping power. I think they are going to prove useful for using with my own band though. Somebody asked for tips/tactics about the venue I think - watch where you park firstly. Maybe research it a bit or ask somebody that really knows the city. We ended up parked about a mile up a turning that ran by the canal opposite Victoria Warehouse and the anchor statue - it was a real trek from there, through and past United and then further still to the cricket ground. If you like me are too old to be getting up front, there will be loads of space at the back, but push through the crowd under the entrance bridge walkway and keep going round - you can get the impression that it’s rammed to the back and it isn’t. Look for where the (pitch? Green? I really don’t know cricket!) covering is white and that’s the area with space. Behind and to the sides there, there is unreserved seating in the stands and unless there are 20 of you or something I would not foresee problems if that’s what you wanna do. The main stands have their own toilets and a small bar away from the big crowd too. Although there were screens, in that area and high up you are divorced from the atmosphere a bit though, so stay on the floor and get forward a bit if this is important to you. Allow a bit of time to enter the ground too as the queues for the gates are massive - they have multiple gates so don’t feel awkward walking past the crowd a bit to find an alternative. Apologies for the long post! The main theme is that the last honest arena rock band still largely have it. And I haven’t seen them since the NLTL tour, when they were at The Apollo. Cheers @drakesmoke - I've got parking sorted from a friend of the wife who lives 30 mins walk away. Stashing the car on their drive and then walking there, it's roughly along the Tram line. The setlist has been on Reddit, and works out what I expected. I will be scoping out the unreserved seating in Stand B as some friends where there last night, got a great view and had a great time. Fingers crossed the rain passes over on Sat! Also the "new" Prodigy still bring it, it's a different vibe without Keef but the tunes keep on hitting like they used to.
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Post by simple on Jun 14, 2024 7:58:33 GMT
While we’re mentioning it I’ll second Studio 666 being a hoot
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Post by rhaegyr on Jun 14, 2024 8:00:50 GMT
Not surprised traffic was mental - a friend at work went to see Weezer/Smashing Pumpkins at Co-Op Live, just down the road from Old Trafford.
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Post by dfunked on Jun 14, 2024 8:26:13 GMT
I saw someone wearing a Prodigy 2009 tour t-shirt the other day and got nostalgic. Brixton Academy was a fucking brilliant show!
...15 years ago.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 14, 2024 8:27:40 GMT
I always loved Brixton Academy. Need to find a venue like that over here.
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Jun 14, 2024 8:52:02 GMT
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Post by Dougs on Jun 14, 2024 8:52:02 GMT
I too like both of them but for me that’s an easy Prodigy. I can’t even imagine what that is going to sound like live. Plus Johnny Marr is always out and about. Although I don’t know what the Prodge will be like without Flint and their last consistently great album was Always Outnumbered. Yeah, it's tricky. Living here, it's hard and expensive to see top acts off the island, so whilst Marr is always touring, the chances of him coming south arr slim. I dunno, will play it by ear and see how the day goes.
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Post by Frog on Jun 14, 2024 10:39:53 GMT
Brixton Academy is my favourite venue as well.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Jun 14, 2024 10:49:31 GMT
I liked The Marble Factory in Bristol well enough, but I've heard other people say they think the sound quality there is terrible.
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Post by rhaegyr on Jun 14, 2024 10:54:25 GMT
I always loved Brixton Academy. Need to find a venue like that over here. My first ever gig at 16 years old was Brixton Academy. It was exhilarating and terrifying in equal measure, especially as there were only four of us and we were very early for the gig, leading us to wander around Brixton for a few hours!
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 14, 2024 11:23:35 GMT
Been to the Marble Factory in Bristol a couple of times, no issue with sound quality at all.
*Much* better than the Bristol Academy. But that's an extremely low bar.
In terms of venue size Bristol is pretty catered. Academy is supposedly 1600, but the layout is so terrible so it's only 1600 on paper.
Marble Factory can do 1600 easily, and is much better. SWX is 1100, and the Bristol Beacon can do 2,124 fully standing. Only been there once though, but sound quality for Fever Ray was pretty great
Fleece has a 450 capacity and is pretty good, stage is unusually high so shorter than average people can actually see the band fairly easily.
Thekla can hold 400 and I've seen some good gigs there, though being on a boat it's longer than it is wide and being stuck at the back isn't great viewing.
Exchange can hold 250, and is a great venue, Crofters Rights is a bit smaller I think.
Right on the smallest end you have the Gryphon with a capacity of 50, so tends to be smaller or upcoming metal bands, but they've had some known names there in there in the past.
Then for bigger acts you can get gigs in Ashton Gate with 32000 in concert mode. There's definitely a leap from Academy / Marble Factory to the stadium but that's the nature of things everywhere I guess.
Not really sure where I'm going with the post but ended up looking up venue capacity and wanted to share my research so it doesn't feel like a total waste of time.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 14, 2024 11:48:19 GMT
Yeah, Bristol was always great for live music. *heart the fleece*
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