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Post by zagibu on Mar 11, 2022 1:29:39 GMT
But overall, the most versatile weapon is a physical +15, because it can be enchanted for extra damage. Enchanted how? Resins? Sunlight Blade? With my planned stats of 16 STR, 10 DEX and 50 FTH, a divine +10 claymore will do 546 damage, and a standard +15 claymore only 306. At least according to this calculator: soulsplanner.com/darksouls/weaponatk (which is a bit weird, though, because it doesn't show better damage for occult weapons, which have A scaling instead of divine's B). |
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Post by malek86 on Mar 11, 2022 6:46:49 GMT
But overall, the most versatile weapon is a physical +15, because it can be enchanted for extra damage. Enchanted how? Resins? Sunlight Blade? With my planned stats of 16 STR, 10 DEX and 50 FTH, a divine +10 claymore will do 546 damage, and a standard +15 claymore only 306. At least according to this calculator: soulsplanner.com/darksouls/weaponatk (which is a bit weird, though, because it doesn't show better damage for occult weapons, which have A scaling instead of divine's B). Hopefully with Sunlight Blade, resins are fine but a bit too expensive. In a game where you might easily die and have to start the boss again, I'm not too willing to use expensive consumables. As for scaling Divine weapons, it really only works if you have massive amounts of faith. With levels in DS1 being spread relatively thin, you cannot really hit that high without sacrificing many other stats. And I had to put several points in strength for the Dragonslayer spear, plus some endurance (don't wanna go around with a shield and a small stamina bar). Oh, and if I wanna go around with more than a couple miracles, some extra attunement is a must. |
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Post by malek86 on Mar 11, 2022 10:47:11 GMT
Went on a demon and twinkling titanite spree, and spent a lot of souls. Now I have a Dragonslayer Spear +5 and Crest Shield +5. Should last me a while. Still need to improve my armor set a bit though.
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Post by zagibu on Mar 11, 2022 10:59:52 GMT
With levels in DS1 being spread relatively thin, you cannot really hit that high without sacrificing many other stats. Yeah, that's why I'm going for only 16 STR and 10 DEX, so that I have enough for the rest. Faith 50 is doable with this build at level 79 if you go for 25 VIT and END and 16 ATT for 4 spell slots. |
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Post by malek86 on Mar 11, 2022 11:04:38 GMT
With levels in DS1 being spread relatively thin, you cannot really hit that high without sacrificing many other stats. Yeah, that's why I'm going for only 16 STR and 10 DEX, so that I have enough for the rest. Faith 50 is doable with this build at level 79 if you go for 25 VIT and END and 16 ATT for 4 spell slots. Unfortunately the Dragonslayer Spear requires 24 STR and DEX, so it was not as simple. Feels like these boss weapons are more suited for NG+, when you can just put all your souls into levels. Anyway, at this point I'm level 55, with 26 faith. Assuming I get another 25 levels by the end of the game, I'll probably put 14 more into faith, 2 more into attunement to get to four slots, and the rest distributed between endurance and vitality. |
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Post by zagibu on Mar 11, 2022 15:28:09 GMT
Queelag is done for, and now I have a divine claymore +5, which is a pretty good upgrade over Astora's. Those snakes in Sen's die from 3 hits. Not sure yet if I'm gonna do Sen's first (at least unlock the elevator) or catacombs.
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Post by malek86 on Mar 11, 2022 17:42:54 GMT
Even with the maxed Dragonslayer spear, my DPS check against the Four Kings failed hard. By the end of the fight, there were four of them around. Still won by taking potshots and rocking the Havel armor, but went through almost all of the twenty Estus uses.
In retrospect, I would have probably done much more damage with a maxed standard spear and Sunlight Blade.
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Post by zagibu on Mar 11, 2022 18:09:07 GMT
I'm a bit worried about Four Kings as well. But first I'll have to deal with O&S, which will already be hard enough, I think, especially because I want O's armor this time.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 11, 2022 19:08:48 GMT
I think my strategy with Four Kings has always been to just hammer the shit out of them before the others turn up. Usually works quite well
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Post by Danno on Mar 11, 2022 19:15:10 GMT
I think my strategy with Four Kings has always been to just hammer the shit out of them before the others turn up. Usually works quite well Yep, with Power Within |
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Post by zagibu on Mar 11, 2022 19:23:08 GMT
Yeah. Also you can fight them last before Gwyn, no need to rush them. I'll probably kill Nito first, because I want to get Reah back.
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Post by malek86 on Mar 11, 2022 19:46:23 GMT
Spears just aren't good weapons for DPS. With my usual axe, I was always killing those kings in like twenty seconds each. Hitbox is also a bit wonky, so a weapon like the spear sometimes just hits the air.
Anyway, that's done too. Not long now. I'm considering going through the shortcut in Lost Izalith just to avoid the Centipede Demon and the overall bullshit area. Shame that it's a long run to the bonfire whenever the Bed of Chaos slams you down the abyss. As good as it still is, playing this game again is really reminding me of all the jank I definitely didn't miss in the newer games...
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 11, 2022 19:59:19 GMT
Yeah. Also you can fight them last before Gwyn, no need to rush them. I'll probably kill Nito first, because I want to get Reah back. You can do a thing if you beat them before using the Lordvessel with Frampt. For me, this is the way it has to be done
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Post by retro74 on Mar 11, 2022 23:12:34 GMT
Four Kings NG I just use the Furysword as it’s an “impossible to lose” set up
NG+ just pyro the fuck out of them with great combustion
I can’t even imagine how hard it would be to beat them with a spear 🤪
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 11, 2022 23:24:29 GMT
My first playthrough was a spear. Love thusting weapons - spears/rapiers - but it is annoying on some of the bigger bosses where you have to stab them in the legs (Sif) because you have such a narrow area of attack
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Post by retro74 on Mar 11, 2022 23:26:24 GMT
I wonder what that tells us about your character? Do you like to thrust your weapon in real life too?
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Post by Aunt Alison on Mar 11, 2022 23:28:22 GMT
Actually, if you use an Estoc, you can also wave it around a bit
Estoc is my series favourite but Velka's just feels more special. Aren't really many special feeling thrusting weapons in DS2 or 3
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Post by retro74 on Mar 11, 2022 23:30:32 GMT
Best be careful, if your timing is off dogs will bite it
A friend told me that
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Post by malek86 on Mar 12, 2022 11:02:02 GMT
I was struggling too much with Artorias with a shield. Randomly decided to unequip most of my armor. Managed to roll past almost all of his attacks and poked him to death on the first attempt. His attacks will flatten you even if you are blocking, but he also telegraphs everything to a ridiculous degree.
Being almost at the end, I can say that a shield feels nice to use most of the times (it generally makes exploration safer), but against many bosses and big enemies, it won't help much - you are much better off with the extra mobility. Fast rolling is nearly mandatory in the late game.
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Post by zagibu on Mar 12, 2022 11:50:42 GMT
You can do a thing if you beat them before using the Lordvessel with Frampt. Yeah, I already have a Darkstalker character level 10 to hunt noobs with. But there is not much action anymore on PC Prepare to Die edition, so it doesn't get used much. Being almost at the end, I can say that a shield feels nice to use most of the times (it generally makes exploration safer), but against many bosses and big enemies, it won't help much - you are much better off with the extra mobility. I had the completely opposite experience. My last char tanked everything from Manus to Kalameet with a Tower Shield +15. Managed to beat Manus on my first try with this char, and Kalameet on the second. |
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Post by malek86 on Mar 12, 2022 12:29:40 GMT
I had the completely opposite experience. My last char tanked everything from Manus to Kalameet with a Tower Shield +15. Managed to beat Manus on my first try with this char, and Kalameet on the second. I can't imagine. Some of those attacks took out my entire stamina bar and a chunk of my health as well. I was using a maxed Crest shield. I guess a greatshield would be better, but I also guess there are some unblockable attacks too. If your only chance is a greatshield, then you're gonna have to pump a lot of levels into strength too. Maybe a spear and shield run won't be that hard if you focus on strength and dexterity and some endurance, but probably not so much for me because I wanted a faith build. |
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Post by malek86 on Mar 12, 2022 12:34:41 GMT
By the way, I feel like helping a few people out today. I'll put my sign on the ground by Oolacile and see what happens. At level 75, though, I doubt I'll get any calls. But might as well try.
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Post by zagibu on Mar 12, 2022 13:02:45 GMT
Yeah my last build was a "quality" build, although I ended up with 46 STR I think. Of course, movement is still important, but without relying on the greatshield to block their attack it would have taken me many many tries to beat Manus and Kalameet. Gwyn, too, probably, although he is easier to dodge in my opinion, because he is smaller, and has a looooong grab animation during which you can get some hits in.
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Post by retro74 on Mar 12, 2022 14:39:06 GMT
Yeah a Crest shield isn’t going to do anything when blocking bosses, it has no stability. Good for magic though
You really need a silver knight shield or maybe a balder knight shield if you want to block with a small shield
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Post by malek86 on Mar 12, 2022 18:18:38 GMT
This whole second half of the game is infuriating (no news here). Even after several attempts and Sif's help, I just can't deal with Manus. And now I can't be bothered with the run-up to the Bed of Chaos again.
Might as well stop here. It's not like I haven't seen the ending a million times already.
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Post by zagibu on Mar 12, 2022 18:56:14 GMT
Ornstein is giving me so much headache. I can get him down to 1/3rd of his health, but then he always does something bullshit and kills me in 2 swings.
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Post by steifybobbins on Mar 12, 2022 21:25:59 GMT
Right, having done Queelag I've just been back to Darkroot and beat Sif (I think I'm over levelled it wasn't too tough) do I really have to go to the fortress of hell now? Also I have several boss souls, how do i use them to make weapons?
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Post by malek86 on Mar 12, 2022 21:49:20 GMT
Right, having done Queelag I've just been back to Darkroot and beat Sif (I think I'm over levelled it wasn't too tough) do I really have to go to the fortress of hell now? Also I have several boss souls, how do i use them to make weapons? If you have defeated Sif, then you could also try and tackle New Londo instead, but the boss could be a little tough at this point. If this is your first time through the game, I'd just follow the standard progression and "enjoy" the fortress. Eventually you will meet a blacksmith who can use specific weapons to forge boss weapons for you with those souls. I think the game doesn't tell you which weapons are required though, and they have to be upgraded to +10 before the option even appears, so it's better if you follow a wiki there. Keep in mind boss weapons are a bit harder to level up and usually have high stat requirements. |
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Post by steifybobbins on Mar 12, 2022 22:06:16 GMT
Right, having done Queelag I've just been back to Darkroot and beat Sif (I think I'm over levelled it wasn't too tough) do I really have to go to the fortress of hell now? Also I have several boss souls, how do i use them to make weapons? If you have defeated Sif, then you could also try and tackle New Londo instead, but the boss could be a little tough at this point. If this is your first time through the game, I'd just follow the standard progression and "enjoy" the fortress. Eventually you will meet a blacksmith who can use specific weapons to forge boss weapons for you with those souls. I think the game doesn't tell you which weapons are required though, and they have to be upgraded to +10 before the option even appears, so it's better if you follow a wiki there. Keep in mind boss weapons are a bit harder to level up and usually have high stat requirements. Thank you for the reply New londo has the Ghosts right? How do I kill those buggers? I might just cash in the boss souls, I'm not chasing trophies and I have the black knight Sword and Halberd |
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Post by JuniorFE on Mar 12, 2022 23:53:33 GMT
If you have defeated Sif, then you could also try and tackle New Londo instead, but the boss could be a little tough at this point. If this is your first time through the game, I'd just follow the standard progression and "enjoy" the fortress. Eventually you will meet a blacksmith who can use specific weapons to forge boss weapons for you with those souls. I think the game doesn't tell you which weapons are required though, and they have to be upgraded to +10 before the option even appears, so it's better if you follow a wiki there. Keep in mind boss weapons are a bit harder to level up and usually have high stat requirements. Thank you for the reply New londo has the Ghosts right? How do I kill those buggers? I might just cash in the boss souls, I'm not chasing trophies and I have the black knight Sword and Halberd There's three ways to kill the ghosts: 1. Use a cursed weapon. Far as I can tell there are three, but two are rare drops and the other is a boss soul weapon (details under spoiler in case you don't want to know) The ghosts rarely drop Ghost Blades and Jagged Ghost Blades, either will work. The other one is the Cursed Greatsword of Artorias which is forged with Sif's Soul and any +10 Dagger, Greatsword, or Straightsword except Broken Straight Sword and Straight Sword Hilt (The last two will make the true Greatsword of Artorias instead which has the same name but different stats) 2. Become cursed yourself. A basilisk can do that but I do not recommend it as it comes with a host of detriments including half max HP until you cure it (be glad we're not in earlier versions where it stacked, if you got cursed too many times you'd be running around with 1/8 health) 3. The best but temporary way, use a Transient Curse. For as long as it lasts you'll hit ghosts normally no matter the weapon. |
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