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Post by plant on Sept 11, 2021 19:22:03 GMT
Just got back from the cinema for the first time in nearly two years. Took the eldest who's ten, she'd seen Shang Chi on newsround and wanted to watch it. An hour in and the twats, cock the projection up. We get 5 minutes of headache inducting blue flashing screen. They then restart the film, skipping somewhere between 5-10 minutes. At this point we walk out. The lass is in tears, I end up getting a refund. I wanted to see Dune at that cinema, I swear if they fuck that up, they'll see a 1000 year Jihad.
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Post by chasingjamie on Sept 11, 2021 21:47:00 GMT
This is quite a frequent problem I see in chain cinemas these day ever since the change to digital. There are pretty much no projectionists anymore apart from sites that still show 35mm and it’s a digital playlist that the managers just program in and hope that it works with nobody actually in the projection booths, just them mostly relying on the automation, and it’s usually up to a customer to come out of the screen to actually bring it to their attention if it messes up. And it can actually be a pain if the the digital print messes up like you have experienced, to actually get it to the right point again if you are not well trained on the projector. Plus I see some cinemas forgetting to remove the 3D filter on the projector after a 3D film so the following 2D film is darker because of it. Obviously there are managers that care a bit more than others and make sure they are checking, but the time I’ve spent in the past working in a multiplex most don’t care. Such a shame that projection is such an after thought now. Independent cinemas seem to take more care though.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Sept 11, 2021 22:17:19 GMT
I had wondered how modern cinemas play films. I just assumed they received a drive with the film, plugged it in and pressed play.
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Post by anephric on Sept 12, 2021 0:01:26 GMT
They do/it is. Projectionists are pretty much a lost breed outside of arthouse cinemas. But (I believe) someone still has to set up the projector for the DCP correctly.
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Post by plant on Sept 12, 2021 7:25:13 GMT
Its irritating because we've been going there for years and it's never been a problem. Make's it hard to think there's going to be much hope for the industry if they care so little about the experience 9f the viewer.
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Post by Lizard on Sept 12, 2021 7:30:38 GMT
Most of the mass-market cinemas work with minimal staff, often on minimum wage. Those responsible for the projectors are generally managers and therefore it lives or dies on the basis of how much of a fuck they give, or how busy/hungover they are. It's a shit situation but then cinemas have long been in the business of selling popcorn rather than movie tickets.
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Post by Goban on Sept 12, 2021 8:39:48 GMT
Yeah, it's mostly fine and to be honest the quality of most projectionist wasn't exactly exceptional. The amount of times I had to sit through poorly screened films back in the day. I'd sit there and seethe about lazy shit that they just didn't care about.
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Post by technoish on Sept 12, 2021 9:24:50 GMT
I complained about an IMAX screen once using the email at the end. There was a smudge on the screen (had been for 18 months). Got a response within about 10 minutes from the IMAX Chief Quality Officer, saying it was probably something somebody had thrown at the screen and they'd have somebody look into it.
Of course it never did got fixed. I presume it was too expensive to replace.
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Post by chrisp on Sept 13, 2021 20:49:39 GMT
I saw Jungle Cruise in 3D (I realise I'm in the minority for enjoying 3D). Cinema was projecting the left eye and right eye images inverted, which looks very odd indeed, almost like trying to resolve an Escher painting. I had experienced the same issue before so knew that wearing the 3D glasses upside down would fix the issue. I told people around me to do the same and pass the message on. Some did, most didn't - it was pretty astonishing how many people were quite happy to sit there and watch it that way, not caring or even realising that something was wrong. I mean, surely they could tell it wasn't meant to look like that! Worst thing is, when I told a member of staff about the issue on leaving the screen she said that it had been that way for a little while and they were working to fix it. But clearly didn't think it worthwhile telling anyone.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 13, 2021 21:07:13 GMT
I complained about an IMAX screen once using the email at the end. There was a smudge on the screen (had been for 18 months). Got a response within about 10 minutes from the IMAX Chief Quality Officer, saying it was probably something somebody had thrown at the screen and they'd have somebody look into it. Of course it never did got fixed. I presume it was too expensive to replace. To be fair, I'm sure loads of people looked into it
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Post by Goban on Sept 13, 2021 22:29:58 GMT
In my experience, the thing most people get off their arses and complain about is the sound. Other than that they'll put up with most shit.
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Post by Zuluhero on Sept 13, 2021 22:56:46 GMT
I've had similar experiences in different chains, even an everyman, which claim to be all about film. Demanded a refund there too.
My last visit to a cinema (a Vue) to watch Black Widow was awful. Everyone packed in, people talking or on phones. What made it even more farcical was the trailers before hand besmirching watching films at home and proclaiming nothing beats the 'cinema experience'.
I joked to my friends that we could have chipped in and watched at one of their houses on Disney+ and got a safer, better experience.
It's a joke, no one really cares, films run on a timer and ushers are afraid to confront people and their douchebag behaviour. I'll be keeping my distance for some time.
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Post by Lizard on Sept 14, 2021 2:15:14 GMT
Ushers are never going to confront them and why should they? They work in shit conditions for fuck all money, and the sort of people who act like cunts in cinemas (or shops, or restaurants etc) are the sort of entitled people who will at best bitch and moan as if they're victims - a tactic likely to work given how terrified manager types are of things like bad reviews and official complaints - or at worst genuinely kick off. I worked in a cinema briefly a few years ago and we had to have a security guard thanks to these types.
Dickhead customers are often the most entitled and shameless, and staff disempowered and disinterested.
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Post by Lizard on Sept 14, 2021 2:18:00 GMT
Just for clarity complaining about sound/picture etc is not entitled and not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the dickhead customers who ruin it for other people. In fairness they aren't a new phenomenon.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 14, 2021 9:42:07 GMT
I'm quite fortunate to have a good multiplex near me (a Vue). Don't think I have ever had any issues. The only one I can think of is when I saw 2001 there and they didn't dim the lights during the overture (they also regularly raise the lights too quickly when the credits start, but I think that is actually controlled by the film rather than them).
Behaviour of the audience isn't too much in their control though and I don't really blame staff not wanting to get too bolshie with dickheads. The ushers are normally not much more than kids themselves. They do regularly inspect the screens and I think I've seen them tell people to shush.
Fortunately, I normally am able to pick times when it isn't too busy (Sunday afternoons are normally pretty good) and I prefer to sit towards the front. Most dickheads seem to sit at the back.
Aiming for quieter times is even more important at the moment, seeing as no one seems to give a shit about almost 40,000 new c19 infections every day, with no mask wearing and screens crammed to full capacity again. That's a national problem though and not isolated to cinema chains.
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Post by Red_Bool on Sept 14, 2021 11:51:21 GMT
Thankfully I never had any real bad experience with other people in the cinema (apart from the occasional long twat sitting upright in front of me blocking part of the view).
What I do find annoying is the 24fps. You get the "look how awesome our picture and sound is" trailer first and then the first panning motion in the film judders all over the place. You'd think in the digital age we'd be able to get 60fps.
Of course this might just be me. In the past I used to work on TV image improvement (judder cancellation etc) so maybe I'm just fucked for knowing (subconsciously) what to look for...
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Post by Goban on Sept 14, 2021 12:30:40 GMT
You're probably right, after my period running the cinema I found it difficult to watch anything screened anywhere else, there was always something wrong.
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Post by anephric on Sept 14, 2021 13:19:32 GMT
What I do find annoying is the 24fps. You get the "look how awesome our picture and sound is" trailer first and then the first panning motion in the film judders all over the place. You'd think in the digital age we'd be able to get 60fps. Of course this might just be me. In the past I used to work on TV image improvement (judder cancellation etc) so maybe I'm just fucked for knowing (subconsciously) what to look for... Audiences already pretty unanimously rejected high frame rate experiments courtesy of Peter Jackson and Ang Lee. Outside of the typical double or triple blade shutters on projectors to simulate persistence of motion, you're talking about using motion interpolation on DCPs to smooth the inherent 24fps judder, and hence Tom Cruise will come around your house and kill you.
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Post by beastmaster on Sept 14, 2021 13:35:46 GMT
What I do find annoying is the 24fps. You get the "look how awesome our picture and sound is" trailer first and then the first panning motion in the film judders all over the place. You'd think in the digital age we'd be able to get 60fps. Of course this might just be me. In the past I used to work on TV image improvement (judder cancellation etc) so maybe I'm just fucked for knowing (subconsciously) what to look for... Audiences already pretty unanimously rejected high frame rate experiments courtesy of Peter Jackson and Ang Lee. Outside of the typical double or triple blade shutters on projectors to simulate persistence of motion, you're talking about using motion interpolation on DCPs to smooth the inherent 24fps judder, and hence Tom Cruise will come around your house and kill you. I cannot stand the higher frame rates in films myself. It really cheapens the look of a film imo. I believe Peter Jackson's now made The Hobbit films 24p for an upcoming home release.
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Post by Red_Bool on Sept 14, 2021 14:20:22 GMT
Audiences already pretty unanimously rejected high frame rate experiments courtesy of Peter Jackson and Ang Lee. Outside of the typical double or triple blade shutters on projectors to simulate persistence of motion, you're talking about using motion interpolation on DCPs to smooth the inherent 24fps judder, and hence Tom Cruise will come around your house and kill you. I cannot stand the higher frame rates in films myself. It really cheapens the look of a film imo. I believe Peter Jackson's now made The Hobbit films 24p for an upcoming home release. I was thinking more about actually filming with 60fps. I agree that doing motion interpolation is even worse (again, if you know what to look for...). I was not aware that it was already tried (had a quick Google). It could very well be that 60fps brings other "side effects".
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Post by anephric on Sept 14, 2021 16:04:45 GMT
Audiences in general hated the soap opera effect.
I thought Gemini Man looked incredible, once you get used to the fact that the meeega frame rate (it was filmed in 120fps) meant that everything had to be extremely well lit like an episode of Eldorado. The extra detail in fast motion is pretty amazing once you get used to it.
Douglas Trumbull wanted to do 60fps all the way back in 1983 with Brainstorm but cinemas were loath to update their equipment.
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Post by anephric on Sept 14, 2021 16:09:46 GMT
Jackson would totally make The Hobbit available in 48fps on 4K Blu-ray if the format supported it, but it doesn't. It's 60fps or standard 24/30.
You could upconvert (Gemini Man was actually downconverted) but it would likely introduce artifacts unless done extremely carefully and there isn't the demand for it.
It's weird that Jackson chose that frame rate, but there you go. It's essentially unsupported now on home formats, so unless someone enables it for streaming, it's a relic.
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Post by gammonbanter on Sept 14, 2021 22:49:22 GMT
Dune might tempt me back in....it is a nice experience when it goes well!
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Post by simple on Sept 23, 2021 9:09:36 GMT
I really want to see Dune and The Alpinist but between covid and my bandaged foot I’m not sure I can make either. Hopefully if we’re abandoning home releases at the very least the gap between cinema and streaming release will be narrower than it was prepandemic
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Post by Tonka (🐑,🪤) on Sept 24, 2021 7:36:10 GMT
The Hobbit, it's a relic. Amen
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2021 19:45:26 GMT
Not been to the cinema since that Batman with Tom Hardy.
It got ruined by a family behind me, the daughters but in particular the dad talking loudly throughout it.
I didn't even dare to turn around because the dad had this big, booming, intimidating voice.
Wish I had because I had about a foot on him, and he was a sad little fucker wearing shorts, sandals and white toweling socks. I'm not a fighting man and never had been but I actually thought, shit I'd have fancied my chances there breadbin or no.
But yeah I can't stand them, people seemingly can't not eat noisily, talk or check their phone for two hours. The latter might be connected to how shite film is now though. At the time I went to see that Batman tickets were about seven quid a pop so they'd paid thirty quid to have a chat, why not do it for free at fucking home.
I never quite got the film until I saw it on DVD after the event as I could just not focus. That was when I realised it was a bit crap anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2021 20:04:29 GMT
I've only been to the cinema once since I saw Return of the King (2003). I'm pretty intolerant so don't appreciate noisy buggers around me or a basketball player with a hat sat in front of me.
The cinema I went to was one of these fancy ones where all the seats were huge and reclined and were far apart. I can't remember what the hell I watched though. The cinema was a lux in Bradford.
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Post by dfunked on Dec 24, 2021 20:13:51 GMT
I think the last film that I enjoyed in the cinema was 10 Cloverfield lane. Went in based on the name alone and knowing nothing about the film, but ended up absolutely loving the weird little claustrophobic thriller it is. Helps that it was a pretty much empty screen with none of the usual I haven't been since smart watches became a thing, but can just imagine catching a distracting glow out of the corner of your eye... Fuck that!
Saw a few bigger releases with packed screens since then and had an absolutely horrible time of it. Talkers, cunts on their phones the whole time, rustling bags of sugary shit, lanky fuckers blocking my view (and I'm admittedly part of the problem on that one) We talked about going back for Dune, Bond and the Matrix, but then just remember how much nicer it is to watch stuff at home.
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Post by Reviewer on Dec 24, 2021 20:49:51 GMT
The local cineworld never has the projection set bright enough, contrast seems to have the same issue. It’s like watching every film with sunglasses in.
The main advantage to the cinema is being forced to focus on that and not watching with someone that’s going to get up and wander around for 5 minutes every half hour. I usually go at fairly antisocial times when I’ve been so other people aren’t that much of an issue.
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Post by brokenkey on Dec 24, 2021 21:52:51 GMT
The local cineworld never has the projection set bright enough, contrast seems to have the same issue. It’s like watching every film with sunglasses in. My local Cineworld is the same, I concluded that it's just I've been spoiled by HDR on telly at home. Cinemas can't do that.
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