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Post by Derblington on Apr 12, 2023 14:40:44 GMT
This is sounding more and more ropey.
I love Dishonored, still to play Prey and Death Loop, but it’s a bit sad how poorly the reception to this seems to be landing.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 12, 2023 15:17:43 GMT
I think it seems to be that this is not what people think of when they think of Arkane.
That 30fps cap at launch is... baffling. You're designing for next gen only, I know getting 60fps is hard, it is, it really is, but as a first party game how are you not aiming for that as a priority, especially for a game which doesn't look that particularly "next gen".
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Post by A46Matt on Apr 12, 2023 15:20:22 GMT
I’ll be waiting for the 60fps update that’s for sure. I don’t have a 4K tv so just losing frame rate for nothing here otherwise.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Apr 12, 2023 16:06:02 GMT
They are calling it 'quality mode' but if youre launching with only one option its just 'mode'
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Post by paulyboy81 on Apr 12, 2023 18:25:52 GMT
I despair with Microsoft sometimes, I really do. I know gaming forums and social media are echo chambers at the best of times but they'll get torn a new one from all corners for only launching with a 30fps option. Honestly would have just been better announcing a release date that included the 60fps update.
Sigh.
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Post by bichii2 on Apr 12, 2023 18:38:31 GMT
Meh don't see the problem. Yeah 60 is better but if the game is good the game is good. It's not Titanfall 2 so the locked 30 will be fine.
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Post by Frog on Apr 12, 2023 18:40:01 GMT
30fps isn't ok for a first person game.
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Post by Derblington on Apr 12, 2023 19:07:17 GMT
Not with this hardware. Not anymore. And not from a first party studio.
And add to that, the game itself is getting really mixed previews. I’ve seen far more negative than positive, and the positive is generally coming with a lot of ‘if’s.
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Post by Frog on Apr 12, 2023 20:25:32 GMT
Not on any hardware, shooters arent good at 30fps. They just feel bad.
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Post by bichii2 on Apr 12, 2023 20:33:22 GMT
Well for what seems like a slow paced co op shooter it's totally fine to me to enjoy it the same. I'll be playing it with pc players but I'll be just fine. I loved 2077 at 20fps on PS4.
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Post by dangerousdave on Apr 12, 2023 20:36:50 GMT
If its a competitive FPS or a twitchy one, sure, but I could accept 30fps. Heck, I have a guilty pleasure for the original Killzone and thats 20fps at best!
But I can't honestly say Redfall was a day one download, personally. Its certainly going to deflate enthusiasm with fans though, being locked to 30fps right now.
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Post by Tomo on Apr 12, 2023 20:39:03 GMT
It just looks so uninspiring. A pot pourri of first person shooter ideas from the last 10 years or so, with a vampire theme. And vampires are boring so that doesn't help.
Maybe it'll excel as a coop.
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Post by Vandelay on Apr 12, 2023 20:48:26 GMT
I'm confused. The 30fps is definitely a bummer (although, as it is an FPS and only Xbox, I'll play it on PC), but seems there is general negativity around it. I thought all the recent previews were really positive though. Just on the previous page of this very thread is a list of about a dozen previews saying how good it was and even some saying it is a game of year material.
Are those just hype pieces and others have been less enthusiastic? Must admit, I haven't read the articles.
Love Arkane games, but was a little disappointed when this initially seemed like a co-op shooter. More interested now it appears to be closer to a Far Cry like open world game.
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Post by bichii2 on Apr 12, 2023 20:51:29 GMT
I've seen maybe four previews from the main people I follow on YouTube and all were positive.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Apr 12, 2023 21:38:15 GMT
The IGN preview I watched was so bad people in the comments were wondering if they were sabotaging the game on purpose. It looked like the journalist had never played a video game before.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 12, 2023 21:54:26 GMT
That seems to be a major hiring point for IGN.
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Post by mikew1985 on Apr 12, 2023 22:38:46 GMT
I've seen maybe four previews from the main people I follow on YouTube and all were positive. This, all the noise I've been hearing recently has been super positive. |
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Post by rhaegyr on Apr 13, 2023 8:37:08 GMT
Played Far Cry 5 in co-op with a mate at 30FPS and it was absolutely fine for me.
Then again I'm playing on a 20 year old 720p plasma so visual fidelity isn't at the top of my list.
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Post by malek86 on Apr 13, 2023 9:43:34 GMT
It's not that 30fps isn't okay, but knowing that there's a 60fps mode coming later just makes you wonder why they don't just delay the game.
I still say it's because they need to further optimize for the Series S. Conspiracy theory and all, I know, but I just can't shake the feeling it's because of that.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 13, 2023 9:51:26 GMT
It's not that 30fps isn't okay, but knowing that there's a 60fps mode coming later just makes you wonder why they don't just delay the game. I still say it's because they need to further optimize for the Series S. Conspiracy theory and all, I know, but I just can't shake the feeling it's because of that. The quality mode is at 1440p for S, most if not all 60fps games on Series S run at 900-1080p. The fact that you're building an exclusive game should actually make it easier to optimise for that experience, no? |
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Post by malek86 on Apr 13, 2023 10:02:54 GMT
It's not that 30fps isn't okay, but knowing that there's a 60fps mode coming later just makes you wonder why they don't just delay the game. I still say it's because they need to further optimize for the Series S. Conspiracy theory and all, I know, but I just can't shake the feeling it's because of that. The quality mode is at 1440p for S, most if not all 60fps games on Series S run at 900-1080p. The fact that you're building an exclusive game should actually make it easier to optimise for that experience, no? We do know that a 60fps mode is coming, so I'm not saying the S can't do it, but maybe they need to further optimise it to squeeze just that extra bit of performance to make it run better? Could be that Arkane isn't all that used to UE4, after years of running id Tech forks. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 13, 2023 10:21:22 GMT
My initial first thought was that it was the same issue as Gotham Knights which is also on ue4.
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Post by mikew1985 on Apr 13, 2023 10:47:59 GMT
This really blew up as a "Big Deal" on twitter yesterday.
Would I prefer 60fps on day one? yes but is it a big deal(TM)? No
This is going to become more of a thing as we get further into this generation. I can see the argument for delaying it further to have 60fps but I also think 90% of the audience will play it 4k30 and be totally fine with that.
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Post by malek86 on Apr 13, 2023 10:49:11 GMT
My initial first thought was that it was the same issue as Gotham Knights which is also on ue4. Maybe, but GK never even got a 60fps patch, whereas we know one is coming here. Also, the previews were all at 60fps, so you gotta wonder why they suddenly decided that it was not good enough. Of course it's also possible that the previews were all played on PC. |
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Post by mikew1985 on Apr 13, 2023 10:49:42 GMT
Plus it will be either good or not regardless of the 60 FPS, if it's up to usual Arkane standards then it really won't be much of a knock on the game because I'll spend 90% of my time crouched looking in drawers and reading notebooks.
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Post by dfunked on Apr 13, 2023 10:54:34 GMT
If 30fps was the only option, I'd either suck it up, or just play it on PC. If there's a chance of a 60fps mode in the near future, I'll just hold off for how...
It's not like there isn't already enough to keep me busy with TotK coming out at the same time, then D4 a month later...
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Post by baihu1983 on Apr 13, 2023 11:23:55 GMT
The IGN preview I watched was so bad people in the comments were wondering if they were sabotaging the game on purpose. It looked like the journalist had never played a video game before. I've noticed more and more over the years how bad game journalists are at playing video games. |
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Post by Derblington on Apr 13, 2023 11:31:33 GMT
Skill Up mentioned that in his weekly round-up when talking about this game. The IGN exclusive preview video has something like 1.5k upvotes to 19k downvotes.
He talks about both the skill of the reviewer and the quality of the gameplay in it. The reviewer thing, he says, can often just be down to being forced to play preview content on a control system you don't like/use (controller) vs one you do (kb/m). It shouldn't really be like this anymore but it doesn't surprise me. I see it daily at work too.
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Post by Derblington on Apr 18, 2023 14:47:31 GMT
So only host progress saves in co-op too.
Skill-Up has another run down of all the controversy around this one again in his games round up this week.
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Post by rhaegyr on Apr 18, 2023 15:03:02 GMT
Ah, that sucks.
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