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Post by darkling on Mar 28, 2023 9:41:02 GMT
Nobody ever seems to ask the question why so many people in the US feel the need to go on killing sprees. Surely this is the underlying problem.
Yes, banning firearms would obviously help reduce the problem, and I know nobody wants to give these killers a sympathetic voice, but squarely blaming firearms seems akin to shooting the messenger, no joke intended. If these people want to carry out mass public killings, they'll find a way, guns or no guns.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Mar 28, 2023 9:42:03 GMT
Might not be the worst thing if gun ownership gets linked to being a bit gay.
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Post by darkling on Mar 28, 2023 9:42:59 GMT
Haha, it'll only take one South Park episode.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 9:44:04 GMT
If you could buy an M4 in Asda this country would be just as bad for mass shootings as murika.
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Post by cristar on Mar 28, 2023 9:48:18 GMT
Would not surprise me if a big percentage of Americans actually just think every country has guns. I always knew Americans were a bit dumb in general, but recently seen a load of videos in which the American public couldn't even name 3 countries outside the US. A lot of them think they're basically the only country in the world.
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Post by 😎 on Mar 28, 2023 9:49:56 GMT
There is an absolute proven correlation between the bans on assault rifles being lifted and the massive rise in shootings. There is an absolute proven correlation between the number of shootings per state vs the state level gun control laws. Yes, it’s the guns.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 28, 2023 9:50:25 GMT
Nobody ever seems to ask the question why so many people in the US feel the need to go on killing sprees. Surely this is the underlying problem. Because it’s easy. If you’re a noodle armed loser, you’re down in seconds over here. In America you’re the same as anyone else with an assault rifle and 300 rounds.
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Post by Gruf on Mar 28, 2023 9:54:50 GMT
My VERY uneducated guess is it is linked to mental health and the cost of healthcare in general in the US, many just go untreated. I get the impression that a lot of people who can afford it over medicate as well. Add an easy availability of weapons that can take a life, NRA lobbyists greasing palms and they are where they are.
Sure there are thousands of studies into it, but in the end you need to follow the money, usually where this is all going wrong these days.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 28, 2023 9:58:58 GMT
There are multiple reasons...access to guns, mental health, the cesspit that is the internet, lobbying and power etc.
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Post by darkling on Mar 28, 2023 9:59:38 GMT
Would not surprise me if a big percentage of Americans actually just think every country has guns. I always knew Americans were a bit dumb in general, but recently seen a load of videos in which the American public couldn't even name 3 countries outside the US. A lot of them think they're basically the only country in the world. When "World Series" baseball only involves US and Canadian teams, who can blame them? I've always found it an interesting point. If you lived in a resource-rich country, with practically every climate for yer holibobs, made up of 50 large states, each a "country" in their own right, would you bother to look beyond your country's borders very often? I'd like to think I would, but in practice, who knows.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 28, 2023 10:01:12 GMT
I think mental health issues are a fairly global problem. The difference is if someone cuts you up on your commute over here, you dont generally have a gun in the glovebox to shoot the fucker.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 28, 2023 10:05:53 GMT
Agreed, but the difference is in other developed countries, a person may have had a good chance of getting treatment. That may be made harder in the States.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Mar 28, 2023 10:07:56 GMT
Mental health issues seem harder to solve than doing something about all the guns. I’d take the slow approach, you can have a gun, but not a machine gun. Also tax the fuck out of it, like we do with tobacco.
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Post by Gruf on Mar 28, 2023 10:10:05 GMT
I think mental health issues are a fairly global problem. The difference is if someone cuts you up on your commute over here, you dont generally have a gun in the glovebox to shoot the fucker. I saw a vid about a week ago of a dude doing exactly that. He got away with it because of Florida's even weirder gun laws. Just a crazy way to normalize this sort of behavior. Is it any wonder that a classroom of kindergarten kids getting murdered didn't even move the needle
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Post by jono62 on Mar 28, 2023 10:12:10 GMT
It's easy:
White = Mental health issues.
Non white = Terrorist.
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Post by 😎 on Mar 28, 2023 10:14:15 GMT
Mental health issues seem harder to solve than doing something about all the guns. I’d take the slow approach, you can have a gun, but not a machine gun. Also tax the fuck out of it, like we do with tobacco. Basically yes. Enact gun control laws, gun violence will drop. Delve into mental health and other societal issues and after a few years of research you may have a multi year pathway to maybe reducing the impact. It’s a) not a zero sum game, both can be done simultaneously but also b) blindingly obvious which one should have priority.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 28, 2023 10:16:36 GMT
Guns seem like the big differentiating factor, and also the easiest thing to fix.
There does seem to be a thing with US schools, given how many of the shootings are school related.
That's partly because kids are erratic and emotional and prone to lash out, and giving people like that access to guns is a recipe for disaster, but I wonder if it's also affected by the way the US school system works.
It seems to be a given in the US that school is 'hell' and you're just grateful that you finished it.
UK schools are far from perfect, but I much less frequently hear UK people saying that school was hell. Japanese schools also have issues (crazy pressure and bullying etc..) and yet the majority of Japanese people consider school to have been the best time of their lives. (though that might just be because work here sucks ;-) )
But that's all pretty anecdotal and getting rid of the guns would probably bring things down to levels much closer to those in other countries.
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Post by cristar on Mar 28, 2023 10:23:38 GMT
Are they doing school shootings because they hated school though, or just because it's a really easy target? If it's the former then the recent shooter must have held one hell of a grudge, as I believe they were 28. A lot of the time it seems like suicide by school shooting or something horrible like that.
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Post by 😎 on Mar 28, 2023 10:24:45 GMT
Also, ignoring the global effects of Covid based mental health crises, access, affordability and general understanding of mental health treatment has improved significantly in the US over the past decade or so, so while it’s still far from perfect it’s also inarguably not a direct traceable line against gun violence.
tl;dr, it’s the guns.
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Post by Gruf on Mar 28, 2023 10:29:56 GMT
And the harsh divide between Democrats and Republicans along party lines. It is a never ending circle of pointless death.
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Post by Youthist on Mar 28, 2023 11:12:06 GMT
Nobody ever seems to ask the question why so many people in the US feel the need to go on killing sprees. Surely this is the underlying problem. Yes, banning firearms would obviously help reduce the problem, and I know nobody wants to give these killers a sympathetic voice, but squarely blaming firearms seems akin to shooting the messenger, no joke intended. If these people want to carry out mass public killings, they'll find a way, guns or no guns. Pure coincidence then that these people are finding a way much more frequently and easily in the USA than anywhere else on the planet. Pretty much 100% of the time with those things that fire bullets.
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Post by geefe on Mar 28, 2023 11:31:23 GMT
I saw a Doug Stanhope set that summed up how the situation works:
- man with issues, possibly paranoia and hearing voices, goes to the doctor - doctor tells him he either can't afford help, gives him some drugs that don't work but he's paid to give out or doesn't really do anything - man leaves doctor and goes next door, to a bar and has a few drinks to cope - man leaves bar and goes next door to any old shop and is able to buy a gun
I'll let you work out what happens next
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Post by wunty on Mar 28, 2023 11:31:33 GMT
They all want to own a gun. I say let them. In fact, make sure each household is given a gun per head absolutely free. That will satisfy their need to own one.
The twist, is that you make buying or owning bullets illegal.
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Post by DJCopa on Mar 28, 2023 11:36:30 GMT
Woman on FOX news blamed a side door not being locked - kept repeating the door would have prevented this tragedy.
The door was to blame.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 28, 2023 11:38:44 GMT
I saw a Doug Stanhope set that summed up how the situation works: - man with issues, possibly paranoia and hearing voices, goes to the doctor - doctor tells him he either can't afford help, gives him some drugs that don't work but he's paid to give out or doesn't really do anything - man leaves doctor and goes next door, to a bar and has a few drinks to cope - man leaves bar and goes next door to any old shop and is able to buy a gun I'll let you work out what happens next He goes home orders chicken and watches Seinfeld reruns?
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Post by Gruf on Mar 28, 2023 11:39:24 GMT
They will pass a law for doors before they pass a gun law
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Post by cristar on Mar 28, 2023 11:43:09 GMT
Any stories I read said all the doors were locked, but the dickhead shot them open. Who needs keys?
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Post by Blue_Mike on Mar 28, 2023 11:55:07 GMT
This piece of shit again:
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Post by darkling on Mar 28, 2023 11:56:06 GMT
Nobody ever seems to ask the question why so many people in the US feel the need to go on killing sprees. Surely this is the underlying problem. Yes, banning firearms would obviously help reduce the problem, and I know nobody wants to give these killers a sympathetic voice, but squarely blaming firearms seems akin to shooting the messenger, no joke intended. If these people want to carry out mass public killings, they'll find a way, guns or no guns. Pure coincidence then that these people are finding a way much more frequently and easily in the USA than anywhere else on the planet. Pretty much 100% of the time with those things that fire bullets. Just trying to keep an open-minded discussion. My point is that firearms aren't a singular cause, to be viewed in isolation. It could be that the US is producing more disgruntled, disillusioned citizens than any other country, and firearms are compounding this issue. It ain't exactly the most socialist country in the world. As I said, banning firearms would obviously reduce the problem and make it harder for mass killings to occur, and it's an obvious first step, but it wouldn't solve the clear underlying issue that's driving these people to carry out mass killings in the first place, who may turn to bombs or other means if firearms become hard to obtain.
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Post by cristar on Mar 28, 2023 12:04:12 GMT
Or they'd kill themselves in their bedroom.
I remember a story about a youtuber who actually flipped a coin to see if they killed themselves, or did a shooting then killed themselves. Went to the local supermarket and killed 4 or 5 people, then themselves. Ridiculous.
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