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Post by elstoof on Oct 5, 2023 9:31:37 GMT
Ugh you see his plaque covered teeth in all their glory too. Someone needs to lay off the Mexican coke
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Post by kal on Oct 5, 2023 10:53:53 GMT
If they were phasing out vaping at the same time and pace as smoking I’d believe in the virtuousness of the policy a little more. It’s a far bigger issue in younger people and more importantly will be a far bigger source of tax in years to come as that audience ages.
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Post by cubby on Oct 5, 2023 11:22:44 GMT
It's a completely disingenuous policy. Numbers are going down year on year already due to the public smoking ban and packaging policies. Everyone knows that making it fully illegal just hands it off to the black market and gives the police more work, which will not get funding.
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Post by Reviewer on Oct 5, 2023 11:36:17 GMT
Vaping isn’t quite the same though is it? It doesn’t have the same health issues although it also seems to be almost completely unregulated.
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Post by geefe on Oct 5, 2023 11:40:58 GMT
No but vaping is also an issue and, as noted, unregulated.
Ban disposables Limit flavours Only available to buy in licenced pharmacies
Tax the fuck out of it. Job done.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 5, 2023 11:43:52 GMT
Guess the problem with vaping is, as with most of these things, is all the crap that goes into them that is used to give them the various flavours. It does look as if tobacco companies are just pivoting into vaping and using much the same techniques with their marketing as they did with tabacco, targeting it at young people to make it seem cool. Equally, I'm sure they are being just as vigorous with making sure they are as health as they can be as they were were cigarettes
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Post by gamingdave on Oct 5, 2023 12:04:29 GMT
No but vaping is also an issue and, as noted, unregulated. Ban disposables Limit flavours Only available to buy in licenced pharmacies Tax the fuck out of it. Job done. It's not unregulated. There are black market products, and shops selling to underage people, but that's different. If you ban disposables, limit flavours or places you can buy them, you make them less of an attractive alternative to cigarettes and it becomes less likely smokers will switch. Disposables are causing a problem, they aren't being recycled and it's a big waste of materials. I would be all for a deposit scheme on them, like we used to have on glass bottles of pop, but you don't want to make them more expensive than the FAR more harmful alternative (I know abstinence is an alternative, but for nicotine addicts that's easier said than done).
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Post by kal on Oct 5, 2023 12:06:30 GMT
Vaping is its own separate issue and frankly has been horribly irresponsibly handled. What should have been a medical device to help people stop smoking has now become a new highly popular habit and culture in itself especially in the young, and while the dangers of it are ‘probably’ (nobody really knows yet) not as bad as smoking, it’s not a good thing for millions of young people to be addicted to it. It’s also terrible for the environment in terms of plastics etc.
Again smoking is just naturally dying out anyway.
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Post by gamingdave on Oct 5, 2023 12:29:32 GMT
Vaping is its own separate issue and frankly has been horribly irresponsibly handled. What should have been a medical device to help people stop smoking has now become a new highly popular habit and culture in itself especially in the young, and while the dangers of it are ‘probably’ (nobody really knows yet) not as bad as smoking, it’s not a good thing for millions of young people to be addicted to it. It’s also terrible for the environment in terms of plastics etc. Again smoking is just naturally dying out anyway. It's not 'probably' not as bad as smoking, it's clearly safer. And whilst there aren't long term studies of eliquid specifically, there are studies of the constituent parts (of which there are very few). The scientific community doesn't agree on an exact figure, but most studies have it at least an order of magnitude safer than smoking. I agree youth vaping is a problem - better not to start a nicotine habit at all - and the waste from disposables is definitely problematic, we should be looking at these issues. But as a clearly better alternative to smoking we need to be very carful not to limit it's appeal against traditional tobacco.
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Post by cubby on Oct 5, 2023 12:34:24 GMT
The main thing they need to regulate is the flavours and packaging of vapes and liquid. It's currently completely unchecked and needs to have the same standards as other products that have previously been geared at children. Vape shops are currently like sweet shops.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 5, 2023 12:45:40 GMT
Vaping is the new selling a teenth for kids. At the girls school there are loads of budding little del boys buying vapes from the pound shop or amazon and pressuring other kids to try a few huffs of banoffee pie marshmallow. You see absolutely loads of them vaping around town.
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Post by sport✅ on Oct 5, 2023 12:47:23 GMT
They're great Xmas stocking fillers.
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Post by Reviewer on Oct 5, 2023 12:48:06 GMT
It always seems strange seeing grown men and women puffing out something that smells like a really sweet cake.
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Post by Frog on Oct 5, 2023 12:55:05 GMT
Should their vapes taste of disappointment and regret?
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Post by JuniorFE on Oct 5, 2023 12:57:49 GMT
Honestly, if somebody had to smoke/vape, especially near me, I'd rather they puff out some sweet cake smell than the typical tobacco/smoke smell... Anecdotally, I've actually experienced very little peer pressure to smoke. Very few of my friends did/do (that I know of, at least) and none of them ever talked about it with me, let alone tried to get me to start. Not that I would do so, anyway. Not only do I not care to do so and never did, but after the grief I've given MumFE about the habit, my parents would (justifiably) hang me upside down from the rafters, so to speak, if I ever tried it
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Post by Reviewer on Oct 5, 2023 12:59:17 GMT
Should their vapes taste of disappointment and regret? Actually yes I would. I don’t want their vaping to make me crave cake.
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 5, 2023 13:44:54 GMT
They should have smells of fragrances specific to how old the male consumer is things like Brut 33, Hai Karate or Lynx Africa.
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Post by KD on Oct 5, 2023 13:45:22 GMT
And next would be alcohol.
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Post by askew on Oct 5, 2023 13:55:23 GMT
> But PA Media, citing a No 10 source, reported the promise was contingent on a substantial proportion of the cost being met by private funds. If not enough money is found, HS2 will permanently stop at Old Oak Common in the capital’s western suburbs.
Shite
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 5, 2023 14:15:49 GMT
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Oct 5, 2023 16:01:35 GMT
I've got it covered by smoking AND vaping. So I'll get lung cancer and Chinese Factory Ebola. Maybe they'll cancel each other out.
Ban seems sensible, NZ is supposed to be smoke free in 2025 but there's still plenty of smokers about. Especially in the Island and Chinese communities.
England on a Friday or Saturday night has a healthy population lighting up darts.
As policies go it seems sensible.
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 5, 2023 16:09:58 GMT
Good grief.
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Post by geefe on Oct 5, 2023 16:13:08 GMT
It's almost like they're scrambling about in a panic
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Oct 5, 2023 17:25:23 GMT
Hmm.
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Oct 5, 2023 18:25:16 GMT
Have we done that they've pledged to extend Manchester's tram service to the airport, but that this already exists?
Maybe they're gonna try and fail to deliver something that's already there. Just to top off this shit show.
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Post by cubby on Oct 5, 2023 18:41:18 GMT
They'll knock down the existing tram and then botch everything afterwards, then eventually sell the land to a private developer for well under market rate.
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Post by Whizzo on Oct 5, 2023 19:04:05 GMT
I think they've rapidly come up with some bullshit about extending the tram so it connects to all terminals rather than just one when there's no real need to do it. Never used Manchester airport so I've no idea how easy it is to get between terminals with the Skylink it's got but I imagine it's fine like most airports.
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Post by X201 on Oct 5, 2023 19:08:17 GMT
I can't help but think they also knocked it up quickly with copy and paste
In the West Midlands section...
Contactless and smart ticketing: £100 million will be shared across the North to support seamless travel by enabling contactless or smartcard payment.
edit: Ahh, we get to the bottom of it
"£100 million will be shared across the Midlands AND the North"
That's a massive area
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Post by X201 on Oct 5, 2023 19:32:16 GMT
£250 million for smaller road schemes: Including the Shrewsbury North Western Relief Road and the A4123 Birchley Island, near Oldbury.
They already gave Birchley funding in 2021. And the Shrewsbury North Western Relief Road got funding in 2015
Are they double counting?
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Post by geefe on Oct 5, 2023 19:39:11 GMT
I assume the M67 Manchester/ Sheffield travesty isn't on the list of improvements?
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