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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 7, 2023 14:23:45 GMT
The irony is, there is this massive, professional and highly sophisticated mail order business model running in the shadows where you dont have to go anywhere near a drug dealer, just have your Evri guy drop it off with your Etsy order. If the barrier of entry wasnt as high as it is, the street corner dealers would be gone overnight. The barrier to entry being, I assume, the fact that Evri couldn't deliver anything if their life depended on it?
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 7, 2023 14:27:25 GMT
That and cryptocurrency being the only payment method and access to sites selling drugs are largely done through TOR.
But, yes, you wouldnt want evri leaving an eighth in your recycling bin
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Post by dogbot on Jul 7, 2023 14:45:41 GMT
You don't need to go near a drug dealer, but you are still purchasing from one who isn't paying tax, and there is no duty on the sold product. And despite being "professional and highly sophisticated" there is no quality control Perhaps on the dark web, but there are other options too and plenty that don't involve criminals and shit quality control.
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Post by geefe on Jul 7, 2023 15:02:50 GMT
Many drugs should be illegal to sell but decriminalise the usage and possession and focus on treatment and improving the quality of life in the country. So you want people to be allowed to continue to purchase their illegal, uncontrolled and unregulated substances? Man A has a heroin addiction but nobody can legally sell it. In this scenario do you have him go to the doctor for it? Ok. Costs the NHS a fucking fortune because they have to buy it from somewhere, but that's illegal, so...errrrr... If you want proper treatment, you need viable lines of purchase for those that either provide the treatment or receive it. See also - people on boats. Needs a legal channel to work.
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Post by dfunked on Jul 7, 2023 15:08:20 GMT
Yeah, I'm sure the NHS would source some scag for him instead of methadone...
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Post by gamingdave on Jul 7, 2023 15:10:41 GMT
You don't need to go near a drug dealer, but you are still purchasing from one who isn't paying tax, and there is no duty on the sold product. And despite being "professional and highly sophisticated" there is no quality control Perhaps on the dark web, but there are other options too and plenty that don't involve criminals and shit quality control. I know people can grow their own weed or mushrooms, or purchase off someone who does it as a small enterprise and isn't linked to organised crime. Technically anyone selling illegal substances in the UK is a "criminal" (even if I think the law is an ass), but I except that is being a bit pedantic. There are ways (so I'm told) to buy from countries where drugs are produced under license (or without the need), but imagine that's a small percentage of the market. As you move from grown drugs to lab produced chemicals, I'd wager the involvement of well meaning small suppliers (who take pride in a quality safe, or at least as safe as it can be, product) quickly decreases.
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Post by dogbot on Jul 7, 2023 15:20:27 GMT
Perhaps on the dark web, but there are other options too and plenty that don't involve criminals and shit quality control. I know people can grow their own weed or mushrooms, or purchase off someone who does it as a small enterprise and isn't linked to organised crime. Technically anyone selling illegal substances in the UK is a "criminal" (even if I think the law is an ass), but I except that is being a bit pedantic. There are ways (so I'm told) to buy from countries where drugs are produced under license (or without the need), but imagine that's a small percentage of the market. As you move from grown drugs to lab produced chemicals, I'd wager the involvement of well meaning small suppliers (who take pride in a quality safe, or at least as safe as it can be, product) quickly decreases. Fair. Fwiw, I was specifically referring to grown stuff. I think a lot of people will use the easiest option (the crim down the road with the 10 bag), but it's definitely not the only option if you're prepared to look around. Cultivation and so on is definitely an option. I have very little experience of the lab produced things, but I suspect you're definitely correct there.
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 7, 2023 17:28:03 GMT
Many drugs should be illegal to sell but decriminalise the usage and possession and focus on treatment and improving the quality of life in the country. So you want people to be allowed to continue to purchase their illegal, uncontrolled and unregulated substances? Man A has a heroin addiction but nobody can legally sell it. In this scenario do you have him go to the doctor for it? Ok. Costs the NHS a fucking fortune because they have to buy it from somewhere, but that's illegal, so...errrrr... If you want proper treatment, you need viable lines of purchase for those that either provide the treatment or receive it. See also - people on boats. Needs a legal channel to work. Is that how you think they treat addiction now?
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Post by geefe on Jul 7, 2023 18:16:02 GMT
How they treat addiction varies from place to place. My mate tried one and they basically said "go cold turkey" - doesn't work. Tried another one where they gave him a "therapist", who was fucking useless. It wasn't until he got assigned a guy who was ex social worker and he started to manage.
But you said make sale illegal. So why make keep possession legal but keep sale illegal? All that means is you keep the black market, which fuels and creates violence.
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Post by Ulythium on Jul 7, 2023 18:18:05 GMT
Have we done this one yet?
Cunt.
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Post by simple on Jul 7, 2023 18:31:59 GMT
I know our governments immigration policy is designed to be cruel but I don’t think anything hammers home the extent to which ‘the cruelty is the point’ than something as mean and petty as this
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Post by Onny on Jul 7, 2023 18:34:56 GMT
In case anyone doesn’t read the whole thing, this is from a centre explicitly set up to receive unaccompanied minors. Not adults, not families, _unaccompanied minors_.
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Post by nemesis on Jul 7, 2023 19:07:22 GMT
Hits a rather sad note it must be said.
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Post by zephro on Jul 7, 2023 19:13:12 GMT
I don't think anyone alive will find it anything but vindictive and petty. It'll just remind them of the worst possible teacher they had as a kid
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 7, 2023 19:14:00 GMT
I understand that they have been trying to bury the story. Even the Home Office seems to have thought "shit, Jenrick. That's a bit much". Not that they stopped the murals being removed, of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 19:26:16 GMT
Actually sickening, both that someone could think like that, and having a government that lets people like that in it. Ashamed to be British, as fucking ever.
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Post by stuz359 on Jul 7, 2023 19:53:37 GMT
It's just performative cruelty at this point because that's all they have. They literally are not offering any solutions. The five priorities are amazing, because they are failing on every single one.
We could get a lot of traction in memes though, the Monty Python dead parrot sketch, The Simpsons, 'Stop! It's already dead,' spring to mind, so that's something to look forward to.
So, a Nigerian bloke joined our design team a few weeks ago. Really nice guy but he said something that struck me. He said that Hull (I know, I'm from Hull) was the perfect place to settle down and raise a family. I was, shall we say, dubious of this statement. But went and did some research (my OWN research!) on Nigeria. I only knew a few facts abut the place, emerging market and all that, set to outstrip the US in terms of population in the next decade. Anyway, he's in his twenties, but I learned that in the period he was growing up there were power cuts for weeks, not days. Water shortages etc. Our 1970's were never that bad. There was a brief glimmer of hope in a recent election which offered a progressive candidate, but corruption and all that meant they got more of the same (sound familiar?) Why wouldn't he move?
We have a shit country but it could be worse is basically the tory party manifesto now, but it could actually be worse. Doesn't inspire me in the slightest. Random stream of shite for the day.
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 7, 2023 20:20:59 GMT
I know that Jenrick is a corrupt arsehole but the painting over cartoons is just so out there I can't get my head around it.
The Tories know they're fucked and just want to smash things up like a kid who'd rather break some toys than let anyone else play with them.
They're mentally unsound and they need to go now not in 12 months.
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Post by Rich on Jul 7, 2023 20:23:46 GMT
We have a shit country but it could be worse is basically the tory party manifesto now, but it could actually be worse. Doesn't inspire me in the slightest. Random stream of shite for the day. Current policy seems to be close to "If we make the country shit enough, the boat people won't want to come here." And people are cheering it.
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Post by stuz359 on Jul 7, 2023 20:40:40 GMT
We have a shit country but it could be worse is basically the tory party manifesto now, but it could actually be worse. Doesn't inspire me in the slightest. Random stream of shite for the day. Current policy seems to be close to "If we make the country shit enough, the boat people won't want to come here." And people are cheering it. It's one hell of a deterrent, except it's not, because it beats actual torture or actual living standards. Anyway, my moral compass in life is Jean-Luc Picard, he always points true north.
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Post by Danno on Jul 7, 2023 21:23:47 GMT
I know that Jenrick is a corrupt arsehole but the painting over cartoons is just so out there I can't get my head around it. The Tories know they're fucked and just want to smash things up like a kid who'd rather break some toys than let anyone else play with them. They're mentally unsound and they need to go now not in 12 months. Have a little scroll through his wiki page and you won't see this as anything unusual from a cunt of his calibre. Not a single good deed to his name, to the point where you wouldn't be surprised if he spent his evenings harpooning the refugees trying to cross the channel. Sorry, the boats carrying the refugees. Yes. Yes that's what I meant.
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Post by X201 on Jul 7, 2023 21:38:33 GMT
So with Jenrick and Osborne lined up to be front page weekend news, The Sun chooses late Friday night to splash a story about a “Top BBC Star” paying a young man for explicit photos. It was reported to the BBC in May.
You’d be forgiven for thinking that the timing was not a coincidence.
Top BBC Star in Sun speak probably means the presenter of Farming Today
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Post by stuz359 on Jul 8, 2023 13:28:12 GMT
More repressive laws incoming:
Long but worth the read.
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Post by zephro on Jul 8, 2023 13:51:22 GMT
I still can't quite believe that fucking thing is getting through the Lords without amendment. Utterly baffling.
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Post by zephro on Jul 8, 2023 14:38:26 GMT
I'm not incredulous that this government is pushing ahead with this, as they're incompetent fucking morons.
But that it'll get through the Lords un-amended, pass all the readings in the Commons, and then actually become law. Then after that Ofcom actually attempts to use the powers, which considering how dumb and unwieldly they are you'd suspect they just wouldn't. Then after all that either or both of the following happen; the likes of WhatsApp, Apple, Slack just withdraw services from the UK causing an almighty shitstorm, while there's also a judicial review going on that ends up deciding the violation of the right to privacy is so disproportionate that it all gets overturned anyhow.
It just has unenforceable zombie law written all over it.
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Post by geefe on Jul 8, 2023 16:07:39 GMT
Christ that's moronic.
You know what's cheaper and easier - EDUFUCKINGCATION. Get the kids understanding what it is they're actually seeing, intervene early. Don't give me any of this "it's sexualising kids" bollocks, I was told about drugs and to avoid them from a young age. It's as simple a message as "there are all sorts of things on the internet that aren't very nice, if you see something violent or sexual that doesn't look very nice, tell an adult"
The internet is 30 years old now. Every single child born since about 2000 will have had parents that have seen internet porn. Stop being so fucking squeamish.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 8, 2023 16:14:09 GMT
I do find it a bit odd hearing journos and commentators who must be about my age, maybe even a bit younger, acting horrified that the average age kids say they have seen porn is about 12. Pretty certain I was about that age when I saw Internet porn too (if anything, explicit pop up ads were likely more prevelant then - early 2000s - and it was easier to stumble upon that kind of content).
Not to say there aren't issues around the topic with kids these days that weren't prevalent then, but it does show that we are still publically acting as if no one has actually seen porn.
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Post by gray on Jul 8, 2023 16:54:36 GMT
There's no question it's more main-stream and "normalised" now though. Granted the internet as we know it didn't exist when I was 12 but I'm never more than 2 clicks away from seeing a birds arsehole on twitch, or YouTube, Instagram, or any other social media platform you subscribe to.
We are not far off women putting Onlyfans influencer or whatever on their CV. If we're not there already.
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Post by deebs on Jul 8, 2023 17:05:55 GMT
You don't need to go near a drug dealer, but you are still purchasing from one who isn't paying tax, and there is no duty on the sold product. And despite being "professional and highly sophisticated" there is no quality control There's basically a dark web ebay with reviews and shit, the quality control is entirely reputational. You can't move without bumping into someone with a pocket full of gak around here. And weed is basically legal to the point where you can carry 8 ounces for personal use and pick it up from a professional grower with government certification. And nothing has changed. The place isn't gripped by reefer madness. Those who like to dabble, dabble just as much as they did before, and those who don't, don't. It's almost as if people are sensible or something.
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Post by deebs on Jul 8, 2023 17:19:53 GMT
Whoever wrote it sounds like a massive annoying wanker Aren't you? Didn't you? Weren't you? You remember that don't you, George? Fucking cock. Osbourne reckons he knows who it is and he's got the dibble involved, so we'll find out soon enough who writes the most self-masturbatory load of "salacious" crap I've ever subjected myself to. Actually, I think it's Errol. He used to write like that. At least that email put order-order.com on the map. I could kill some time with that site.
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