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Post by stuz359 on May 16, 2023 22:14:12 GMT
Probably more valuable to leave her where she is and make sure the blame sticks after the next election. The Conservatives need to go through the same process as Labour and haul the party away from the ideological nutters and back to the centre ground Just to be clear, I assume you're talking about momentum and such like. Look at the 2017 Manifesto, there was nothing that could be described as radical. Nationalising the railways? Germany and France already do this, in fact they have nationally owned companies that own shares in our railway companies, meaning we are subsidising their railways, while ours go to shit. I'm not interested in a saviour complex or whatever, but that 2017 manifesto was full of actually really practical things that maybe would have helped the ordinary citizen. We keep being told there is no money for anything, by a 1% that had all their assets bailed out in 2008 and then underwritten during Covid with the debt going onto the public balance sheet, which of course means austerity for the rest of us. I don't think I'm interested in Left or Right wing anymore, but practicality or pragmatism. But the Right don't have any solutions or answers, just division and culture war nonsense. As for Corbyn himself, He's an internationalist, a committed socialist, a lifelong campaigner as an anti-racist, but people want you to believe that this guy hates Jews. Come on. |
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Post by anthonyuk on May 16, 2023 23:11:50 GMT
I won't pretend to fully understand it, other than it seems labours history of supporting minority groups, suddenly morphed into giving the green light to all the anti-imperialists and antisemitic nutters once they had a socialist leader.
I don't doubt the right wing media fueled it for all it's worth, but for Corbyn to then refuse to apologise for what was obviously a problem, just acted as a further dog whistle to those same members of the party.
I almost hate the hard left more than the tories for this reason. Corbyn would rather the world burn than apologise, rather loose an election for the sake of the protest, whether it be photo op's with questionable characters or alter policy's that just aren't in-line with what the public wants. Socialist utopia or die.
Someone I know is a passionate socialist and has been involved heavily with labour for decades. I can't help but be fascinated by their social media feeds, in how they hate Starmer so much, they and other like minded labour supporters will vote Tory in the next election as a protest.
At least the average tory voter has a lifetimes worth of exposure to all our right leaning news sources since birth as an excuse to be an idiot.
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Post by Danno on May 16, 2023 23:37:57 GMT
I know I shouldn't but I absolutely can't wait for the leopards to chow down on Braverman's face. No, no, no, you should. It's something I'm actively looking forward to because it's only a matter of time. At least we won't have to see it anymore. You can't even get a caricaturist to draw the cunt |
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Post by Danno on May 16, 2023 23:46:54 GMT
As for Corbyn himself, He's an internationalist, a committed socialist, a lifelong campaigner as an anti-racist, but people want you to believe that this guy hates Jews. Come on. If he didn't want to be labelled as an anti-semite he could be both less anti-semitic and less tolerant* of anti-semites on his watch 🤷♂️ *edit: let's go with totally intolerant |
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Post by Dougs on May 17, 2023 5:02:46 GMT
If he didn't want to be identified as an antisemite, he could, errm, have been not been antisemitic. There was a time that I thought similar, but the evidence is overwhelming. He's a common garden racist, pure and simple.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on May 17, 2023 6:48:29 GMT
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Post by geefe on May 17, 2023 7:06:16 GMT
Nope. UK govt is not going to Darth Vader this. They can't bring themselves to do it.
I am also fascinated by Labour people who don't want Labour to win.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 17, 2023 8:12:53 GMT
Corbyn had so many chances to act on anti-Semitism and absolutely failed to do so. Luciana Berger didn't go lightly. He doesn't accept he did anything wrong and doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt any more.
Although he wasn't the architect of Brexit I still despair that we had such an inept leader of the opposition in the period in history. Remainers and even 'soft Brexiters' had no voice and it allowed the conservatives to keep upping the extremism themselves unchecked. No one with actual power was making the case for close ties with Europe and here we are.
He also effectively handed Boris a huge majority by agreeing to an early election he absolutely couldn't win and didn't have to consent to. That then enabled a lot of the damage that followed.
His incompetence has done generational damage.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 17, 2023 8:23:21 GMT
As for Corbyn himself, He's an internationalist, a committed socialist, a lifelong campaigner as an anti-racist, but people want you to believe that this guy hates Jews. Come on. I think if someone is arguing that he is anti-semetic in good faith, its not that he hates the jews or even thinks about them as a malign entity, he just seems to uncritically buy into or make excuses for people who hold opinions and ideas that are rooted in anti-semetism. He never directly said 'I hate jews' but failure to act against people who were sailing very close to that was seen as tacit approval. |
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Post by Whizzo on May 17, 2023 8:59:00 GMT
Oh good we're back to what Corbyn is or isn't like it has any relevance any more like a bargain on HUKD a month after it's expired.
Surely it's time to move on? He's not coming back like some slasher film killer, he's done, no matter what his fans think.
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Post by simple on May 17, 2023 9:02:42 GMT
A few papers seem to be picking up on Gove’s attempt to be Bradley Whitford’s character from Handmaid’s Tale yesterday.
With Braverman clearly on manoeuvres I wonder if this is attempt by some people to feel around for second candidate in a leadership contest?
Or at least, establish the ground upon which that second candidate would stand.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 17, 2023 9:11:57 GMT
The problem with that strategy is that they already have the milquetoast non-entity in charge and they dont want him.
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Post by geefe on May 17, 2023 9:23:20 GMT
Surely Gove would win? He's the only survivor of the past decade
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Post by Whizzo on May 17, 2023 9:29:10 GMT
Tories are all in a froth about the lady with the sword and questionable Royal Navy "career", she'll probably have a good stab (badum tish) at the next leadership election even if she is a proven liar they won't care.
Gove is far too Gríma Wormtongue to ever be made leader.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 17, 2023 9:29:54 GMT
Plus she still has all the PM4PM stationary from her last eight leadership campaigns.
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Post by Bill in the rain on May 17, 2023 9:34:39 GMT
Being the only one able to lift a sword is a traditional way of choosing a leader in England.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 17, 2023 9:48:21 GMT
Gove is actually bright and a reasonably competent minister and is a significant level above the likes of Johnson and his cabinet of thickos. He's also a total bastard with no principles and he's not liked by fellow MPs. Can't see him ever being their leader.
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Post by geefe on May 17, 2023 10:05:53 GMT
A colleague who worked in science industries told me Gove was apparently really appreciated when he was at DEFRA.
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Post by Rich on May 17, 2023 10:14:55 GMT
Gove has always felt like someone who could be a competent, decent person, But chooses not to be. He's definitely on the 'chaotic' side of the D&D scale.
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Post by simple on May 17, 2023 10:18:44 GMT
Oh yeah, if the race were run this year or next they’d definitely end up with a nutter.
Parties always seem to get one before slowly steadying the ship but Johnson was too big a personality (and electoral success) to count and Truss wasn’t around long enough so it’ll be the next one who gets to be their base indulgence.
But then I don’t know where the stability leader to follow comes from because most of the Cameroons are on their way out and there doesn’t seem to be a moderate or centrist tendency among any of the backbenchers. Which I guess leave Mordant or Hunt unless Gove pulls off his attempt at Hague style rebranding as an old soul party grandee.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 17, 2023 10:27:43 GMT
A colleague who worked in science industries told me Gove was apparently really appreciated when he was at DEFRA. Dont you work in education? All the teachers I know fucking hated him. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 17, 2023 11:31:43 GMT
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Every teacher I know thought he was a cunt.
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Post by X201 on May 17, 2023 11:35:02 GMT
Boris lied - again Not that I was stupid enough to believe him in the first place. Building work is yet to start for 33 of the government's 40 promised new hospitals in England, the BBC has found. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65607962 |
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Post by geefe on May 17, 2023 11:39:28 GMT
A colleague who worked in science industries told me Gove was apparently really appreciated when he was at DEFRA. Dont you work in education? All the teachers I know fucking hated him. Yes. Two things can be true at the same time. Twat for education but good for DEFRA. |
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Post by Dougs on May 17, 2023 11:40:22 GMT
+1 Every teacher I know thought he was a cunt. There's a difference between what he was like to work for, and the impact of his policies though. |
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Post by Whizzo on May 17, 2023 11:41:58 GMT
I heard he was reasonably liked at Justice but as he replaced Grayling that it could be damning him with faint praise.
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Post by elstoof on May 17, 2023 11:59:21 GMT
At DEFRA he delivered us a Green Brexit and we should all remember that
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Post by dam on May 17, 2023 12:01:53 GMT
Why have you needed 4 though, hippy? Doing our bit for the second hand EV market to help those less fortunate. I should really get a medal or something. |
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Post by nexus6 on May 17, 2023 12:07:50 GMT
Why have you needed 4 though, hippy? Doing our bit for the second hand EV market to help those less fortunate. I should really get a medal or something. What models have you had? I will be replacing my ICE with an electric in the next 2 years or so hopefully but would consider 2nd hand too. |
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Post by geefe on May 17, 2023 12:48:43 GMT
Cunt now saying the office should be "default". Fuck off you absolute cunt.
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