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Post by dfunked on Feb 2, 2023 9:08:17 GMT
Yeah, we're stuck with this utter shitshow for another two years.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 2, 2023 9:12:56 GMT
I would be pushing the 'you have no mandate' angle. Every time they say 'the voters want us to...' or 'the british people voted for us to...' cut them off with 'nobody voted for your last two PMs and the policies that they held. You have no mandate at all'.
Just hammer them with it.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Feb 2, 2023 9:13:51 GMT
Liz Truss comeback supporters. That’s a whole new level of delusionally out of touch Torying.
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Post by X201 on Feb 2, 2023 9:24:03 GMT
A little translation help for everyone.
When The Sun says "World Exclusive", what they actually mean is "The latest edition of Private Eye arrived yesterday".
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Post by X201 on Feb 2, 2023 9:26:30 GMT
Yeah, we're stuck with this utter shitshow for another seven years. FTFY
(I really do think the UK electorate are that stupid/selfish/scared/...)
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Post by sport✅ on Feb 2, 2023 9:29:16 GMT
A little translation help for everyone.
When The Sun says "World Exclusive", what they actually mean is "The latest edition of Private Eye arrived yesterday". Why's he holding a Foreskin scarf?
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Post by dam on Feb 2, 2023 11:37:55 GMT
Bit of a weird angle to focus on given that the vast majority of people don't care about culture war nonsense when it comes to voting. Guess it's the only card Tories can play that could galvanise some voters in their favor cause they fucked it everywhere else. You only have to see how it's being weaponised in Scotland, they will go hard on it in an election. The faux moral outrage and made up bullshit being circulated is off the scale. It's a topic that older people seem to really struggle with, and they are often easily radicalised. The bill that the Scottish Parliament tried to pass was essentially the same that Theresa May was proposing, it would have just kept Scotland inline with England and Wales. Instead we've now got a re-run of the anti-gay campaigns of the 80s, when gays were going to be seducing/attacking and perving over us in toilets/changing rooms, kids were being taught to be gay in school etc.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 2, 2023 12:20:35 GMT
It's a thoroughly depressing state of affairs. Fuck them all.
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Post by Honk If You're Horny? on Feb 2, 2023 12:34:14 GMT
Theyll attack the trans issue because Labour has a problem with it's identity.
The various splinters, Blairites, Corbynistas etc are one thing but Dave the car welder and union member who lives in Famworth is going to have different views on progressive policies to Amber (they/them) the graduate in media studies living in London.
It's near impossible for the Tories to be credible on the last 10 years. Sewing confusion amongst Labour voters on whatvthe party represents is potentially effective.
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Post by dam on Feb 2, 2023 12:37:26 GMT
I think many Labour voters who went for Brexit will be easily persuaded that transpeople are just doing it to rape their daughters in changing rooms.
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Post by TheSaint on Feb 2, 2023 12:42:12 GMT
Didn't the brainboxes behind the Tory election campaign try this same tactic in Australia, but it massively backfired?
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Post by dam on Feb 2, 2023 12:51:05 GMT
Didn't the brainboxes behind the Tory election campaign try this same tactic in Australia, but it massively backfired? True, but I'm listening to the Scottish Tory leader use all his questions to Nicola Sturgeon saying he "supports trans rights", but asking about rapists forcing entry to women only spaces etc and variations of this. I can imagine the Daily Mail/Express/Telegraph will be devoting a lot of space to this! The Tories reckon the polling data is on their side, but I suspect the questions asked were "Do you support rapists" or similar. It's practically the only political story in Scotland at the moment. The Labour leader has been told that Keir Starmer is taking control of the policies here.
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Post by Vortex on Feb 2, 2023 12:53:53 GMT
Douglas Ross looks like farage mated with an actual frog.
The toad-faced prick.
Actually, that cuts both ways- Which one has the face of an amphibian? Both.
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Post by cubby on Feb 2, 2023 13:10:34 GMT
Question, how come while the Fixed Term Parliament Act was in place we had elections every other year and now that the FTPA is gone they're now all "well a government has to serve at least 5 years"?
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Post by Tuffty on Feb 2, 2023 13:21:12 GMT
Like the times of us all growing up, bullying sexual minorities is considered a-ok as long as the heteronormative majority never have to confront the fact that different people might exist from them. That's the impression I get from the Tories
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Post by Chopsen on Feb 2, 2023 13:33:58 GMT
Yeah, we're stuck with this utter shitshow for another seven years. FTFY
(I really do think the UK electorate are that stupid/selfish/scared/...)
Yeah I can see that happening too. A year is a long time in politics, plus the boundary reform gives Tories an advantage. You don't need most of the votes to win. You just need the votes to be in the right constituencies. The Tories didn't even win the popular vote in England last time, which is their natural home. Yet still got an 80 seat majority. The anti Tory vote is also fatally decided, and could easily spread itaelf too thin across the various alternatives. Tory minority govt. Maybe with DUP support
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Post by Dougs on Feb 2, 2023 13:45:56 GMT
Boundary reform and voter ID will make a massive difference.
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Post by X201 on Feb 2, 2023 14:58:30 GMT
Boundary reform and voter ID will make a massive difference. yep. I forgot to add 'shenanigans' to my list
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 2, 2023 15:06:02 GMT
There are reports of Tory canvassers being pretty much tarred and feathered at the doorstep in traditional tory strongholds, though. Hopefully it wont matter how much they redraw boundries if everyone is sick of them.
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Post by JuniorFE on Feb 2, 2023 15:17:42 GMT
New law: every Tory-voting household is its own constituency. Everyone else is part of one big constituency. Fair and balanced /s
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Post by technoish on Feb 2, 2023 16:14:01 GMT
Theyll attack the trans issue because Labour has a problem with it's identity. The various splinters, Blairites, Corbynistas etc are one thing but Dave the car welder and union member who lives in Famworth is going to have different views on progressive policies to Amber (they/them) the graduate in media studies living in London. It's near impossible for the Tories to be credible on the last 10 years. Sewing confusion amongst Labour voters on whatvthe party represents is potentially effective. I understand it just isn't really like that and that the Dave welder stereotype is way more progressive on these issues than Tories would hope. But yeah, DM/other rags can have an impact with continuous lies on this stuff.
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Post by JuniorFE on Feb 2, 2023 16:16:20 GMT
Theyll attack the trans issue because Labour has a problem with it's identity. The various splinters, Blairites, Corbynistas etc are one thing but Dave the car welder and union member who lives in Famworth is going to have different views on progressive policies to Amber (they/them) the graduate in media studies living in London. It's near impossible for the Tories to be credible on the last 10 years. Sewing confusion amongst Labour voters on whatvthe party represents is potentially effective. I understand it just isn't really like that and that the Dave welder stereotype is way more progressive on these issues than Tories would hope. But yeah, DM/other rags can have an impact with continuous lies on this stuff. The "throw enough shit at the wall and eventually something will stick" style of journalism, innit...
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Post by dogbot on Feb 2, 2023 17:53:45 GMT
Theyll attack the trans issue because Labour has a problem with it's identity. The various splinters, Blairites, Corbynistas etc are one thing but Dave the car welder and union member who lives in Famworth is going to have different views on progressive policies to Amber (they/them) the graduate in media studies living in London. It's near impossible for the Tories to be credible on the last 10 years. Sewing confusion amongst Labour voters on whatvthe party represents is potentially effective. I understand it just isn't really like that and that the Dave welder stereotype is way more progressive on these issues than Tories would hope. But yeah, DM/other rags can have an impact with continuous lies on this stuff. Not welders, but a LOT of my former colleagues are absolutely not progressive. For example.
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Post by geefe on Feb 2, 2023 18:01:39 GMT
And so the "we're bringing inflation down with interest rate rises" bollocks starts.
No. It's not rising interest rates that have done it. Fuck off.
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Post by khanivor on Feb 2, 2023 18:19:00 GMT
I hope none of you get suicidal when the Tories win an easy majority at the next election
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 2, 2023 19:39:00 GMT
I won't be suicidal, but I will decide to leave this country... before deciding that feels like too much effort and just moan about it on here instead.
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Post by sport✅ on Feb 2, 2023 20:20:07 GMT
If that happens, I'll totally become a tory MP. Get paid way more than I am now, have fuck all empathy for my fellow man, and just do a couple of GB news interviews. Piece of piss.
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Post by geefe on Feb 2, 2023 20:43:10 GMT
If that happens, I'll totally become a tory MP. Get paid way more than I am now, have fuck all empathy for my fellow man, and just do a couple of GB news interviews. Piece of piss. See you in the house, user Sport
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Post by zephro on Feb 3, 2023 12:52:19 GMT
FTFY
(I really do think the UK electorate are that stupid/selfish/scared/...)
Yeah I can see that happening too. A year is a long time in politics, plus the boundary reform gives Tories an advantage. You don't need most of the votes to win. You just need the votes to be in the right constituencies. The Tories didn't even win the popular vote in England last time, which is their natural home. Yet still got an 80 seat majority. The anti Tory vote is also fatally decided, and could easily spread itaelf too thin across the various alternatives. Tory minority govt. Maybe with DUP support Boundary changes are maybe +/- 10 seats, maybe. But on the point of winning the popular vote, nobody has gotten 50% plus votes for a single party, since Gladstone's days (when the franchise was very different). For just England I could only go back to the 70s, but Thatcher and Blair never pulled that off. An actual illustration of what FPTP does in that situation is Scotland in 2015 where the SNP got 50% of the vote and 95% of the seats.
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Post by zephro on Feb 3, 2023 13:16:18 GMT
Also the Trans issue cuts across all parties (with the possible exception of the Greens and the definite exception of the DUP and UUP). But also across all communities. So I'm really not sure this is a brilliant vote winner for the Tories.
Tory MSPs voted for it, Theresa May attempted something similar back in 2016. The CofE, the bedrock of Tory voters is split. Middle class people are split, as who else is your traditional TERF other than an extremely middle class lady. Immigrant communities with splits based on religion are going to be divided on it (though lots of people's assumptions about how black & brown people "ought" to vote are frankly fucked).
They're going to lose as many votes in the home counties where more culturally liberal people have moved from London, but would be traditionally more bothered by taxes/house prices as they'll gain any anywhere. They may also just gain votes in all the wrong places, attracting a bunch of recent and highly Baptist African voters in inner London, or conservative Muslim voters in Birmingham where Labour have 20,000+ majorities won't help if they start losing marginals in Surrey.
The idiotic gotcha journalism has not fucking helped though.
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