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Post by Reviewer on May 23, 2022 15:56:37 GMT
Seems it isn't clear as to whether these pictures were included in the ~300 that the MET had access to when investigating. If it isn't than surely we have to be expecting more fines to be issued. If it was than it begs the question what the hell do you have to do to get fined? Pretty sure they were. The answer is you have to not be the prime minister.
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Post by Dougs on May 23, 2022 16:13:59 GMT
It's just amazing how No10 get it wrong at every turn. They knew there were photos so why deny it? The lying to parliament will be a far bigger issue than the fine. Plus, sending Ministers out to deny the PM had asked to meet Sue Gray when it was obvious evidence would be available to disprove this. And same for the met, they must have known photos would emerge and they'd have to justify no further fines. It's staggering.
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Post by DJCopa on May 23, 2022 16:36:49 GMT
Will anything happen though? Probably not.
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Post by Whizzo on May 23, 2022 16:39:15 GMT
How? Seriously how wasn't he fined? The Met is clearly as bent as the government when there's clear evidence of Johnson breaking his own laws in these photos.
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Post by deekyfun on May 23, 2022 16:44:08 GMT
I mean, its really hard to see him next to those guys wearing their special Dune armour.
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Post by minimatt on May 23, 2022 16:45:18 GMT
jesus christ. he lied. he's a liar. I know that's widely known but it's no longer remotely subjective. Not weasal words, not being diplomatic or cautious with language but he's straight up lied. There's no way he can be allowed to remain PM - government will naturally always have more information than the public, and for that reason we must be assured they will tell the truth.
Think about the terrorist trials held behind closed doors, we trust that the government have information we don't have access to and we believe them when they say it's credible. Or the contracts kept secret for commercial confidentiality reasons. We have to believe their assurances. If he lies about a shit leaving party then he'll lie, then he undoubtedly has lied, about far more important things.
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Post by Vandelay on May 23, 2022 16:47:31 GMT
I believe he wasn't even sent a questionnaire about this event. Has also been a few sources saying that he knew pretty early on that there would be no more fines, with the investigations only looking at his involvement for a couple of them (despite there being plenty of knowledge that he was at 6 of the events being looked at). The Met really looking like they are caught up in some shit here that needs explaining and probably won't be.
More fines or not though, seems inevitable that it will be found he lied to Parliament. That could take months to be sorted, but should surely end in him being kicked out. He should resign now to avoid all that, but if he were the kind of man to do that he would have already resigned after countless other things.
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Post by Chopsen on May 23, 2022 16:49:40 GMT
It's just amazing how No10 get it wrong at every turn. They knew there were photos so why deny it? The lying to parliament will be a far bigger issue than the fine. Plus, sending Ministers out to deny the PM had asked to meet Sue Gray when it was obvious evidence would be available to disprove this. And same for the met, they must have known photos would emerge and they'd have to justify no further fines. It's staggering. They just don't care. That's the only explanation that makes sense.
I think they genuinely believe that any objection anybody raises is just some whingey nonsense from some annoying pipsqueak that can be just hand-waved away.
I'm sure it all emanates from Johnson, and people just get pulled along by it. It's a cult of personality.
Interesting case history of this is Cummings. When he was in no 10, and blatantly breaking the law, this is how he behaved. As soon as he was unceremoniously kicked out, CONSTANT FUCKING OUTRAGE.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on May 23, 2022 16:56:31 GMT
Guys...remember Starmer is just as bad. They're all bad.
/sarcasm (just in case it wasn't obvious)
Someone at work used that with me. Said none of these people are going to fix our lives anyway so it doesn't matter.
That's the kind of mental gymnastics and apathy at play with Torys. (He's a Tory)
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Post by Chopsen on May 23, 2022 16:59:38 GMT
I think it is a valid criticism of Starmer that he hasn't exactly set his stall out on what his vision for an alternative is, fwiw.
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Post by X201 on May 23, 2022 17:00:35 GMT
Said none of these people are going to fix our lives anyway so it doesn't matter. Even so, you’d have thought being honest and not a lying shitbag would still be a requirement.
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Post by deekyfun on May 23, 2022 17:02:17 GMT
There's little point is being surprised at this stage. The only answer is to get him out and actively demonstrate to the government that there are consequences for constant abuse of power and trust. If people keep voting these tosscracks in, it just vindicates their open apathy toward those they rule over.
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Post by minimatt on May 23, 2022 17:03:43 GMT
side note: got to presume these photos were taken by the official photographer, as there'll be a wide enough distribution for the leaker to maintain plausible deniability. If these were privately taken photos then the leaker would be easily identifiable by others at the party / other photos showing location - which I suppose wouldn't be an issue for someone already out and "burned" but I hope a junior civil servant isn't about to get a kicking
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Post by tincanrocket on May 23, 2022 17:04:33 GMT
I think it is a valid criticism of Starmer that he hasn't exactly set his stall out on what his vision for an alternative is, fwiw. Starmer doesn't appear to have an alternative, sadly. You'd expect the leader of the opposition to be roasting this government on a daily basis, but I think Kier's operating system might be malfunctioning
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Post by X201 on May 23, 2022 17:09:16 GMT
According to Chris Mason on the BBC, Johnson was the one who instigated that party
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Post by Whizzo on May 23, 2022 17:13:18 GMT
Work event not a party obviously.
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Post by JuniorFE on May 23, 2022 17:13:48 GMT
to be fair to cummings, I imagine he often was the cleverest person in the room. However, it's a pretty low bar when the room in question has boris johnson (or any other member of the cabinet) in it. It's fairly telling/depressing when you realise that the intellectual heavyweight of our government is probably Michael Gove. A man whose last media appearance consisted of him attempting to be funny by employing terrible, cliched and outdated accents on breakfast tv. The one-eyed reigning among the blind and so on...
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Post by TheSaint on May 23, 2022 17:14:03 GMT
That BBC report was rubbish and even included some totally irrelevant whataboutery with regards to Starmer. It's pretty telling that none of these big stories are getting leaked to the BBC as nobody trusts them to report them fairly.
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Post by JuniorFE on May 23, 2022 17:14:26 GMT
According to Chris Mason on the BBC, Johnson was the one who instigated that party No no no, he called a meeting, please get it right /s
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Post by Whizzo on May 23, 2022 17:18:39 GMT
That BBC report was rubbish and even included some totally irrelevant whataboutery with regards to Starmer. It's pretty telling that none of these big stories are getting leaked to the BBC as nobody trusts them to report them fairly. The BBC is pretty much compromised when it comes to reporting UK political news, there's some outliers with Newsnight and when they somehow let someone with a spine do the Sunday show but other than that completely useless.
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Post by X201 on May 23, 2022 17:21:54 GMT
That BBC report was rubbish and even included some totally irrelevant whataboutery with regards to Starmer. It's pretty telling that none of these big stories are getting leaked to the BBC as nobody trusts them to report them fairly. The BBC is pretty much compromised when it comes to reporting UK political news, there's some outliers with Newsnight and when they somehow let someone with a spine do the Sunday show but other than that completely useless. What do you expect when the budget has been slashed year on year by a Govt. that loathes it?
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Post by Dougs on May 23, 2022 17:25:09 GMT
With senior positions filled by well known Tories. There's always a bit of that, including at companies who want to lobby govt as you need access/contacts, but when it's publicly funded, that it feels all kinds of wrong.
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Post by kal on May 23, 2022 17:37:12 GMT
Starmer is in the difficult position of needing to persuade moderate Tory voters to vote Labour, whilst not alienating the left of the Labour Party. Which nets out at him not really saying much.
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Post by clemfandango on May 23, 2022 17:39:27 GMT
I think Cummings has played the long game here and will slowly drip feed more and more photos over the coming week. It’s now pretty much fact that he lied to the house, I can see a lot more back bench tories turning on this one, I reckon gove and truss might desert him too. Obviously raab, nadine, Coffey and Patel will have his back to the end.
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Post by askew on May 23, 2022 17:44:41 GMT
fuck him off
fuck him off
just fuck him off
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Post by X201 on May 23, 2022 17:59:16 GMT
fuck him off fuck him off just fuck him off It would make for an interesting PMQs if that was the chant that went up.
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Post by Blue_Mike on May 23, 2022 18:14:59 GMT
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Post by Dougs on May 23, 2022 18:16:19 GMT
Starmer is in the difficult position of needing to persuade moderate Tory voters to vote Labour, whilst not alienating the left of the Labour Party. Which nets out at him not really saying much. Plus 2 years of Covid where there wasn't a whole load of opposing he could do. And any half decent idea they come out with gets pilfered quickly and rebadged.
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Post by Danno on May 23, 2022 18:27:34 GMT
Starmer is in the difficult position of needing to persuade moderate Tory voters to vote Labour, whilst not alienating the left of the Labour Party. Which nets out at him not really saying much. Plus 2 years of Covid where there wasn't a whole load of opposing he could do. And any half decent idea they come out with gets pilfered quickly and rebadged. The only Labour leader of my lifetime that could walk that tightrope was you know who. And arguably his greatest success was becoming politically mature at just the right post-cold-war time for 1) the loudest elements of the left to be safely ignored within the party without them having the potency to perforate the bowel from within, 2) the Tories having spent all of their capital after 20 years in power and 3) getting Murdoch onside, somehow
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Post by Rich on May 23, 2022 18:30:54 GMT
I don't think he's ever been a big Johnson fan, but when Tory MPs are posting stuff like this it does start to give a bit of hope the custard filled bin bag could be out soon. I fucking hate hope.
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