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Post by Whizzo on Jul 8, 2024 13:32:21 GMT
I prefer seeing wind turbines to powerplant cooling towers that's for sure.
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Post by sport✅ on Jul 8, 2024 13:37:58 GMT
The future is fusion FFS.
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Post by rhaegyr on Jul 8, 2024 13:38:31 GMT
I quite like the look of wind turbines, never understood why people hate the sight of them so much.
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Post by gibroon on Jul 8, 2024 13:43:42 GMT
Admittedly they are offshore but I remember when they were going to put the biggly windfarm off the coast of Aberdeen (and trumps golf coarse), people were complaining they would spoil the view.
The view at the time contained a large expanse of water and lots of oil service ships.
The windfarm actually adds to the view in my opinion as it gives a sense of perspective how these fairly large ships are dwarfed in comparison to the windmills. They still look fairly tiny as they are many miles from the coastline.
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 8, 2024 13:45:59 GMT
The future is fusion FFS. Fusion is always just over the horizon...
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Post by simple on Jul 8, 2024 13:46:47 GMT
The Green Party, in fairness along with a lot of the environmental movement, has always represented 2 strands of thought. There the more modern science based Environmentalism of the Climate Crisis. Which is relatively straight forward. But it's always a bit mixed up with the far older woo-woo-ish tendancy. The 2nd one is more based in thinking of the 1890s-1930s, so long before the actual understanding of CO2. Which has a lot of just harmless nonsense, someone's dotty aunt who believes in crystals, preserving trees and buying local food. But there's always been way dodgier internal parts of it that overlap with Eugenics. The Soil Association being a case in point, founded by Lady Balfour (daughter/granddaughter of the Tory PM), founding members include Oswald Mosely. Where the "preserving traditional ways of life" can lurch over into dark shit fast. Even the sciency side can rapidly go into "no growth", less humans... bad places if pushed. Anyway their idiotic co-leader thing represents it. Always got to have a man and a woman as co-leaders, representing some daft mother + father nature shite. But yeah their voters in Brighton and Bristol are going to be more the Socialist (which is just sort of there but not fundamental) and the rural seats more of that "preserve trees! No I don't give a fuck if new people or young people can't afford a home". One of my friends (generally presents as old labour type) *hates* the Greens and can’t talk about them without insisting, to the exclusion of all other points, the eugenics side of things. His big word that comes out every time is Malthusianism. Like Caroline Lucas has spent the last decade as an undercover eco-fascist just waiting fir the right moment to stand up and announce “Thanos was right” during PMQs.
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Post by apollo on Jul 8, 2024 13:48:28 GMT
Actual Mr Fusion is the future, just when we get actual hoverboards
Labour actually doing something about the UK teacher shortage
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Post by dfunked on Jul 8, 2024 13:51:13 GMT
I quite like the look of wind turbines, never understood why people hate the sight of them so much. Yeah, there's loads of them offshore at Holkham beach and it doesn't ruin the view there imo. Looks kind of cool. I'd much rather that than some of the alternatives, anyway.
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Post by gray on Jul 8, 2024 13:53:51 GMT
1.5 million homes over 5 years? That's 25,000 a month (assuming you can build every month, which you can't) with the UK trades industry on its arse with not enough skilled workers.
I'd love to be proven wrong.
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Post by simple on Jul 8, 2024 13:54:22 GMT
I’ll third that. There’s a bunch on the horizon in the North Sea off Blyth near here that look really nice against a sunrise or set sky
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 8, 2024 13:57:27 GMT
Have you ever seen it, Adrian? The White towers of Suffolk, glimmering like spikes of pearl and silver, their banners caught high in the morning breeze?
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Post by sport✅ on Jul 8, 2024 14:02:18 GMT
Have you ever seen it, Adrian? The White towers of Suffolk, glimmering like spikes of pearl and silver, their banners caught high in the morning breeze? Honestly, the best way to appease the naysayers is to cover every turbine in Union Jack livery. And stick a flag or 2 on the top. Boom, we're powered by patriotism.
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Post by robthehermit on Jul 8, 2024 14:04:34 GMT
Have you ever seen it, Adrian? The White towers of Suffolk, glimmering like spikes of pearl and silver, their banners caught high in the morning breeze? Honestly, the best way to appease the naysayers is to cover every turbine in Union Jack livery. And stick a flag or 2 on the top. Boom, we're powered by patriotism. The best way to appease naysayers is to not build the pointless fucking things in the first place.
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Post by X201 on Jul 8, 2024 14:05:36 GMT
The future is fusion FFS. Fusion is always just over the horizon... Same as commercial scale Carbon Capture and Storage
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Post by X201 on Jul 8, 2024 14:09:25 GMT
And while we’re at it. Pull all funding from Drax. Burning trees, fiddling the figures and then claiming that it’s green is a national embarrassment.
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Post by simple on Jul 8, 2024 14:11:42 GMT
The Destroyer?
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Post by technoish on Jul 8, 2024 14:14:42 GMT
You can actually do some neat things growing certain crops under solar panels, as they create shade and reduce moisture loss. I think it's a lot of berries/fruit varieties that can't stand full sun.
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Post by zephro on Jul 8, 2024 14:18:40 GMT
The Green Party, in fairness along with a lot of the environmental movement, has always represented 2 strands of thought. There the more modern science based Environmentalism of the Climate Crisis. Which is relatively straight forward. But it's always a bit mixed up with the far older woo-woo-ish tendancy. The 2nd one is more based in thinking of the 1890s-1930s, so long before the actual understanding of CO2. Which has a lot of just harmless nonsense, someone's dotty aunt who believes in crystals, preserving trees and buying local food. But there's always been way dodgier internal parts of it that overlap with Eugenics. The Soil Association being a case in point, founded by Lady Balfour (daughter/granddaughter of the Tory PM), founding members include Oswald Mosely. Where the "preserving traditional ways of life" can lurch over into dark shit fast. Even the sciency side can rapidly go into "no growth", less humans... bad places if pushed. Anyway their idiotic co-leader thing represents it. Always got to have a man and a woman as co-leaders, representing some daft mother + father nature shite. But yeah their voters in Brighton and Bristol are going to be more the Socialist (which is just sort of there but not fundamental) and the rural seats more of that "preserve trees! No I don't give a fuck if new people or young people can't afford a home". One of my friends (generally presents as old labour type) *hates* the Greens and can’t talk about them without insisting, to the exclusion of all other points, the eugenics side of things. His big word that comes out every time is Malthusianism. Like Caroline Lucas has spent the last decade as an undercover eco-fascist just waiting fir the right moment to stand up and announce “Thanos was right” during PMQs. There are some of them that tend that way, its definitely a minority. Just like the Labour party contains weird strands of Eugenics as well, Beatrice and Sidney Webb being big proponents of it and founders of the Fabian society. Or all the Tankies who basically excused whatever the fuck Stalin/Mao/Lenin got up to. Or the conspiratorial anti-semitism cunts. All the parties contain some strand of weird or dangerous thought. Actually probably not the Lib Dems, as the Democracy bit is top priority and its hard to come up with a way of doing that in a horrible way. The Tories just wear all their bullshit on their sleeves.
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Post by sport✅ on Jul 8, 2024 14:28:06 GMT
And while we’re at it. Pull all funding from Drax. Burning trees, fiddling the figures and then claiming that it’s green is a national embarrassment.
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Post by robthehermit on Jul 8, 2024 14:44:38 GMT
Drax are alright, they just sent me £6k refund.
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Post by Psiloc on Jul 8, 2024 14:50:56 GMT
An old friend of mine, staunch Tory but surprisingly nice IRL, remarked to me about this very thing on a drive once. How people moan about turbines spoiling the landscape, but she didn't see the fuss and if anything, quite liked them. She was really in admiration. I joked "not very conservative of you" and from her flat reaction I could tell she hadn't thought of this from a political angle before.
Some time later the conversation comes up again, and apparently having forgotten our conversation, was spouting how ugly they were and spoiled the landscape and killed all the birds and had all sorts of stats about their inefficiencies. Somebody had been "doing their own research".
It's one of those weird things I've remembered long term. Definitely a lesson in there
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 8, 2024 14:56:14 GMT
People bringing up bird deaths when discussing wind turbines should probably turn their attention to the wholesale extermination of cats instead, they kill more birds than anything else in the country.
Birds aren't going to survive climate change any better than human beings are either.
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Post by Gruf on Jul 8, 2024 15:11:45 GMT
Never understood the anti turbine nutters and their ilk. The human race is digging themselves an early grave.
Use every resource available to us, Wind, Solar, Wave power, what the fuck ever.
Just being thick about it is not a viable solution. More small boats needed so we can banish these eejits to the Arctic or somewhere.
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Post by grey_matters on Jul 8, 2024 15:49:19 GMT
People bringing up bird deaths when discussing wind turbines should probably turn their attention to the wholesale extermination of cats instead, they kill more birds than anything else in the country. Birds aren't going to survive climate change any better than human beings are either. I'm very pro-turbine but the bird deaths is an important thing. Sure, cats are cunts and kill far far more birds, but the type of birds that are killed by turbines are very different (and usually massively endangered like, say, birds of prey etc). And on the birds not surviving climate change thing, they kinda managed it 65m years ago. Still, more turbines please. Do the proper mitigation procedures and the deaths should be much lower. Have more managed habitat (maybe even including well planted solar farms) and you'll come out ahead probably.
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Post by Duffking on Jul 8, 2024 15:56:52 GMT
An old friend of mine, staunch Tory but surprisingly nice IRL, remarked to me about this very thing on a drive once. How people moan about turbines spoiling the landscape, but she didn't see the fuss and if anything, quite liked them. She was really in admiration. I joked "not very conservative of you" and from her flat reaction I could tell she hadn't thought of this from a political angle before. Some time later the conversation comes up again, and apparently having forgotten our conversation, was spouting how ugly they were and spoiled the landscape and killed all the birds and had all sorts of stats about their inefficiencies. Somebody had been "doing their own research". It's one of those weird things I've remembered long term. Definitely a lesson in there I think a lot of people have this warped view of the world that develops once they've realised they're "conservative" or whatever.
Instead of just having opinions on things, the fact they are a "conservative" means that they have to take the "conservative" viewpoint on any given issue regardless of their initial intuition and they'll go away and find material to convince themselves that viewpoint is correct, regardless of their initial perspective.
Sounds like your friend as you say had never considered it from a politics angle and upon realising it could be they went away and found the "correct" way to look at it as a "conservative".
A lot of people probably start with a mix of views IMO and then feel for some reason pressured to align to some specific point and then reconfigure the rest of their views as though there's something wrong with them. It's quite sad really.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 8, 2024 16:11:05 GMT
It's a football tournament don't you know and MY TEAM has to win. At all costs.
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Post by sport✅ on Jul 8, 2024 16:32:35 GMT
People bringing up bird deaths when discussing wind turbines should probably turn their attention to the wholesale extermination of cats instead, they kill more birds than anything else in the country. Birds aren't going to survive climate change any better than human beings are either. I'm very pro-turbine but the bird deaths is an important thing. Sure, cats are cunts and kill far far more birds, but the type of birds that are killed by turbines are very different (and usually massively endangered like, say, birds of prey etc). And on the birds not surviving climate change thing, they kinda managed it 65m years ago. Still, more turbines please. Do the proper mitigation procedures and the deaths should be much lower. Have more managed habitat (maybe even including well planted solar farms) and you'll come out ahead probably. Stick a scarecrow on top of em. Couldn't be easier.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jul 8, 2024 17:51:31 GMT
I'm pro wind farms, but they have ruined the sea view from the North Wales coast.
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Post by mothercruncher on Jul 8, 2024 18:10:11 GMT
Christ, at this rate I'm expecting Labour to announce the production of flying cars next week as we march into our green energy utopia. Hoverboards first please, ffs
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Post by Dougs on Jul 8, 2024 18:14:46 GMT
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