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Post by grey_matters on Jul 8, 2024 10:07:11 GMT
"You Must Construct Additional Pylons" I don't get this bit.
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 8, 2024 10:08:03 GMT
"You Must Construct Additional Pylons" Sounds like a load of (Pro)toss.
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Post by apollo on Jul 8, 2024 10:09:40 GMT
"You Must Construct Additional Pylons" I don't get this bit. starcraft reference
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Post by grey_matters on Jul 8, 2024 10:10:02 GMT
Seems like a clear very positive step change in international relations for the UK from the get go. They've hit the ground, if not running, striding very purposefully. And giving off and air of competence and sanity, which is nice.
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Post by otto on Jul 8, 2024 10:12:48 GMT
And giving off and air of competence and sanity, which is nice. It's lovely isn't it? It's just so refreshing, almost startling after these many awful years. UK government can govern shock.
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 8, 2024 10:23:11 GMT
They've clearly spent a very long time preparing so they can get shit done quickly rather than just getting elected and thinking that's the hard bit done and sitting back in their office chairs.
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Post by apollo on Jul 8, 2024 10:29:35 GMT
with the Greens, its the typical I don't want this in my area and the alternative of underground cabling is expensive and his pros and cons
Starmer doing more than the tories over gaza, - of course he is not going to be listened to and it will not shut the protestors up who camped out side his house blaming him for everything. But once again Labour have been working hard over the weekend when the tories would of just had a party on the tax payer's expensive then fucked off for their summer holidays. Also Labour haven mending fences with EU
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Post by sport✅ on Jul 8, 2024 10:30:53 GMT
I'm starting to miss the lovable rogues. It's too boring now.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 8, 2024 10:36:09 GMT
I think a 100 mile line of windmills would make for a pretty awesome landscape
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 8, 2024 10:48:59 GMT
The thing is that the Greens are split (hey, how unusual for a political party) between the eco-fundamentalist tendency (of which I count myself one) which says that fighting the climate emergency and cutting carbon emissions is the number one priority above everything else - jobs, growth, quality of life, etc - and the NIMBY tendency who don't want pylons. They have also allowed themselves to be dragged into the gender quagmire, too. They have a ‘People’s Front of Judea’ problem, for sure.
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Post by grey_matters on Jul 8, 2024 10:57:56 GMT
Starmer and Benn seems to have made a decent fist of their NI visit, showing a decent grasp of some of the main problems, and not over-promising. And Ireland has said we will be an allies voice for the UK inside the EU (Yay! Sane people to work with!).
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Post by Tuffty on Jul 8, 2024 11:02:46 GMT
So it appears that Conservatives did the modern day equivalent of seppuku and deleted their Twitter account
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 8, 2024 11:09:10 GMT
I suppose it was the fastest way to get rid of all the horse shit they have been peddling in the last month.
Or they are rebranding. Look out for the Neo Conservatives coming soon to a ballot box near you.
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Post by simple on Jul 8, 2024 11:12:38 GMT
The thing is that the Greens are split (hey, how unusual for a political party) between the eco-fundamentalist tendency (of which I count myself one) which says that fighting the climate emergency and cutting carbon emissions is the number one priority above everything else - jobs, growth, quality of life, etc - and the NIMBY tendency who don't want pylons. They have also allowed themselves to be dragged into the gender quagmire, too. They have a ‘People’s Front of Judea’ problem, for sure. The person who’d been the Green candidate in my constituency for the previous three elections was independent this time on a ticket of saving the environment and protecting women and children by guaranteeing single sex spaces. The person who got to wear the party rosette was in favour of trans-rights as was party policy. But then the way the Green Party is made up has always leant itself to a professional capital-P political core with a soft spot for the kind of woo that could cause it issues if scrutinised. So its not a surprise that the party also carries a terf tendency within its membership. I suppose the downside of winning the extra seats will be the enemies of the party provoking divisions and digging up every old anti-vax facebook statement some candidate or councillor has inevitably made.
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Post by cubby on Jul 8, 2024 11:23:14 GMT
Saw this on reddit Green MP opposes 100-mile corridor of wind farm pylons in his Suffolk constituency
it does link to Telepgraph article but it seems its backed up as Adrian Ramsay does not want in his area "as damage the landscape". Greens talk about net zero put kick the can down the road
to quote one of the reddit comments
I was in that area a couple of weeks back and the sheer amount of support for the greens there was staggering. And there were nearly as many "no solar desert/save Grays Lane" signs, often in the same gardens. I looked into it and while there is some nimbyism going on, there is something to what they're saying with this scheme in particular. It's big.
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Post by grey_matters on Jul 8, 2024 11:28:13 GMT
What's a 'solar desert'? A solar farm?
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Post by cubby on Jul 8, 2024 12:05:04 GMT
Yeah they claim that the panels proposed will cause the land to not get any sun and become deserted. It's hyperbole but at the same time solar is usually best placed in desert locations so it's not like there's nothing to that claim.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 8, 2024 12:08:31 GMT
So it appears that Conservatives did the modern day equivalent of seppuku and deleted their Twitter account "Something went wrong" Yeah, for 14 years in a row...
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Post by simple on Jul 8, 2024 12:08:35 GMT
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 8, 2024 12:16:43 GMT
Ed not hanging about.
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Post by grey_matters on Jul 8, 2024 12:25:18 GMT
Yeah they claim that the panels proposed will cause the land to not get any sun and become deserted. It's hyperbole but at the same time solar is usually best placed in desert locations so it's not like there's nothing to that claim. If it's replacing dairy or beef farming it is likely much less of a desert than what has been there (in terms of biodiversity and life in general) and less polluting, to say nothing of the massive CO2 delta. And if there is a decent planting program as part of the planning conditions then very much more so.
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Post by simple on Jul 8, 2024 12:32:44 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 8, 2024 12:39:17 GMT
This is all so weird. Weird in the fact that we have a government just, you know, doing their...errr....job. The bar really has been lowered in the last 14 years hasn't it?
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Post by sport✅ on Jul 8, 2024 12:41:28 GMT
Christ, at this rate I'm expecting Labour to announce the production of flying cars next week as we march into our green energy utopia.
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Post by zephro on Jul 8, 2024 12:58:14 GMT
The Green Party, in fairness along with a lot of the environmental movement, has always represented 2 strands of thought. There the more modern science based Environmentalism of the Climate Crisis. Which is relatively straight forward. But it's always a bit mixed up with the far older woo-woo-ish tendancy.
The 2nd one is more based in thinking of the 1890s-1930s, so long before the actual understanding of CO2. Which has a lot of just harmless nonsense, someone's dotty aunt who believes in crystals, preserving trees and buying local food. But there's always been way dodgier internal parts of it that overlap with Eugenics. The Soil Association being a case in point, founded by Lady Balfour (daughter/granddaughter of the Tory PM), founding members include Oswald Mosely. Where the "preserving traditional ways of life" can lurch over into dark shit fast. Even the sciency side can rapidly go into "no growth", less humans... bad places if pushed.
Anyway their idiotic co-leader thing represents it. Always got to have a man and a woman as co-leaders, representing some daft mother + father nature shite. But yeah their voters in Brighton and Bristol are going to be more the Socialist (which is just sort of there but not fundamental) and the rural seats more of that "preserve trees! No I don't give a fuck if new people or young people can't afford a home".
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Post by Timo180 on Jul 8, 2024 13:02:50 GMT
This is all so weird. Weird in the fact that we have a government just, you know, doing their...errr....job. The bar really has been lowered in the last 14 years hasn't it? This is good news but I think is only half the story. Have they said anything about the pricing of electricity relating to new wind farms. That seems to have been why there were no new bids for offshore wind last year - www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66749344
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Post by zisssou on Jul 8, 2024 13:19:23 GMT
Everyone who voted for Reform gets a wind turbine in their garden.
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Post by cubby on Jul 8, 2024 13:23:05 GMT
The amount of hot air they generate that might actually work!
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Post by apollo on Jul 8, 2024 13:23:28 GMT
They should put more wind farms near trump's golf course in scotland, really bigly ones
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Post by Blue_Mike on Jul 8, 2024 13:27:38 GMT
I have a vague memory of reading something in New Scientist years ago that pointed out that every objection to wind farms, when thoroughly analysed and debunked, basically boiled down to "I don't like the sight of them."
It may have been on the letters page and finished with a call for people to, more diplomatically stated than I will, grow the fuck up and stop thinking you're entitled to certain sights.
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