zephro
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Post by zephro on Jul 5, 2024 9:17:54 GMT
Well I wake up in a Tory constituency with one of the worst MPs in the country, and despite all the carnage and a tidy majority for Labour I feel pretty down. As someone said a few pages back, this isn’t the catharsis I had hoped for, and it doesn’t compare with the elation of 1997. Too many people in this country vote for cunts, too many people in this country are cunts, and the past 14 years still happened. OK I’m beginning to talk myself round. 120ish seats is too poor a result to recover from in one term, especially against a competent and professional government, which Labour will be. Also, the Tories will lurch right before they correct themselves back, and that will hurt them further because that space is taken. Reform can't progress beyond 4 seats under FPTP. People are naturally focusing on Reform's large share of the vote. But the UK still has a progressive majority. If we had PR, the Tories plus Reform could not form a government; Labour plus Lib Dems plus Greens could, comfortably. I'm feeling happier than I did an hour ago. Yeah it should be OK for 2 terms at least. These big "FUCK YOU" moments tend to stick for a bit. In 2015 the Tories could still bring up the "there's no money left" note. 1997 was a full 5 years after Black Wednesday. People don't actually forget that quickly. Or just absolutely nothing Sunak did over the last 2 years moved the dial even a teenie tiny bit. If there's no major economic disasters you'd think you can't lose that many seats in one go. Also the vote was so efficient. Where the Tories lost Labour regularly clocked up 20%+ swings, the Lib Dems did as well. One suspects that around the country Lib Dem + Labour voters were all going full tactical. Between now and then to be brutally honest Gaza will be less of an issue, as the fighting will peter out and Labour will recognise Palestine as a state. Labour may actually make some good progress on the environment to defuse the Green threat. Immigration may come back down people's priority lists because the government isn't shouting STOP THE BOATS all the time. Etc. etc. Some basic calm competence can defuse most of the threats. Then the Tories are definitely going to descend in to even more fighting between the "no move to the centre that's why we lost" vs "no move more to Reform that's why we lost" groups. Their situation hasn't really changed. People will still associate them with Johnson/Sunak/Truss and they're going to occupy themselves with infighting for a good while.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 5, 2024 9:18:10 GMT
That was great. My favourite was Maitlis' face when having to deal with the absolute bullshit that is Nadine Dorries.
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Post by sport✅ on Jul 5, 2024 9:18:37 GMT
Gutted this could be the end of trickle down economics.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 5, 2024 9:21:24 GMT
Feels like an age ago when the Tories were campaigning on the idea that they supported JAM people.
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Post by rhaegyr on Jul 5, 2024 9:22:10 GMT
Good morning all Great news to wake up to, enjoy it while you can.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 5, 2024 9:22:24 GMT
I don't really care if the Tories move to the right to try and counter Reform. What I'm more worried about is whether Labour will do the same thing in an attempt to appease Tory voters and the press. You just know that the Express etc.. are gonna keep hammering that immigration drum. Don't want to end up with a Macron/LePen situation in a few years. Thing is, I'm not sure what the solution is. Personally I don't think immigration is as big of a problem as a lot of people make out, but there's a lot of people who think it's a huge problem, and that's led to multiple governments trying and failing to 'solve' it, even back to Blair etc.. As Alastair Campbell said, if they try and play Farage's game and then half-ass it, it's gonna bite them in the arse. But whether they'll be able to ignore it or reframe it is another matter. Personally, I want them to make the spouse visa regulations a lot more open and fair, but I can't see that happening while they're terrified of the press calling them soft on immigration.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 5, 2024 9:25:16 GMT
Hang on, hang on, hang on...Johnny "I'm a soldier" Mercer lost his seat. Please stop, I can only get so hard today. Cry Bully Baker was on tv taking his final shots this morning, wagging his finger at all the people dancing on their graves as ‘thousands of people are going to be made redundant’. Yeah, thousands of wives and kids like Felicity Mercer, stealing a living from the tax payer. Get fucked, idiots.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 5, 2024 9:27:27 GMT
Today's word of the day:
Schadenfreude (noun): pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune.
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Post by TheSaint on Jul 5, 2024 9:31:20 GMT
Poor Laura, this must be upsetting for her to watch.
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Post by Dougs on Jul 5, 2024 9:31:26 GMT
zephro - indeed, the strategy worked. How sustainable that is remains to be seen byt appears to have been the right one.
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Post by Frog on Jul 5, 2024 9:31:51 GMT
The Steve Baker clips are excellent as well.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jul 5, 2024 9:33:05 GMT
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Post by hedben on Jul 5, 2024 9:33:13 GMT
Today's word of the day: Schadenfreude (noun): pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune. Hate to disagree but there’s only one officially authorised purveyor of daily words:
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Post by Chopsen on Jul 5, 2024 9:33:18 GMT
Steve Baker gone as well, which is nice.
Did I hear Nigel Farage calling himself centre right last night or had I fallen asleep by that bit having a weird dream?
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Post by Chopsen on Jul 5, 2024 9:35:57 GMT
The lack of increase in overall vote share is a bit of a concern tbh. It's the old story of labour don't win, the conservatives lose.
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 5, 2024 9:37:00 GMT
There’s a chance the votes for labour at the next election won’t drop off much. There was a lot of people convinced that Labour are going to put taxes up through the roof, attack their pensions etc. if they don’t do those things they could win back a few of those people.
So glad Mercer is out, the freeloading cunt who hides behind being for the veterans while consistently voting against them and doing other things he shouldn’t if he actually cared.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 5, 2024 9:42:27 GMT
Today's word of the day: Schadenfreude (noun): pleasure derived by someone from another person's misfortune. Hate to disagree but there’s only one officially authorised purveyor of daily words: A lot of words fit today
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Post by peekconfusion on Jul 5, 2024 9:46:12 GMT
That was great. My favourite was Maitlis' face when having to deal with the absolute bullshit that is Nadine Dorries. Emily Maitlis is all of us - including Boris Johnson.
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Post by dfunked on Jul 5, 2024 9:46:26 GMT
@reviewer but surely to have any chance of fixing things, they need to put taxes up at some point. They're in such a shit position and it'll be a massive struggle to keep people on side even if all they're doing is trying to sort out the scorched earth they've been left with.
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Post by Tomo on Jul 5, 2024 9:53:25 GMT
I'm so glad we live in a country where the politicians don't enflame the electorate to riot and raid the parliamentary buildings.
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 5, 2024 9:53:33 GMT
Completely agree that taxes need to, and should, go up. They need to carefully target where and how they do that.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 5, 2024 9:54:24 GMT
20% tax on hyphenated names
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Post by DJCopa on Jul 5, 2024 9:55:01 GMT
That was great. My favourite was Maitlis' face when having to deal with the absolute bullshit that is Nadine Dorries. She had the constant smug look of someone who has no idea that they sound batshit crazy - and her sycophantic obsession with Johnson is worthy of an intervention!
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Post by minimatt on Jul 5, 2024 9:55:34 GMT
just realised king charlie already on his third prime minister
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Post by rawshark on Jul 5, 2024 9:59:33 GMT
That was great. My favourite was Maitlis' face when having to deal with the absolute bullshit that is Nadine Dorries. She had the constant smug look of someone who has no idea that they sound batshit crazy - and her sycophantic obsession with Johnson is worthy of an intervention! Don’t call her out on that. It’s sexist.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jul 5, 2024 9:59:42 GMT
just realised king charlie already on his third prime minister Third time's the charm?
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Post by rawshark on Jul 5, 2024 10:01:21 GMT
While the overall result looks good I’m very concerned about Reform getting that number of votes - even if the number of seats don’t reflect them.
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Post by DJCopa on Jul 5, 2024 10:04:48 GMT
While the overall result looks good I’m very concerned about Reform getting that number of votes - even if the number of seats don’t reflect them. IMO, it was always going to happen to some extent - people are pissed and if you have a party that is creating and then tapping into a lot of fears by offering mythical unicorns as answers, you are going to get support. Hopefully, they will now have to actually do some work and get challenged - if the country can move on in a positive manner for all then they might be shouting into the void (although I do think they are here for the long haul now).
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Post by peacemaker on Jul 5, 2024 10:05:42 GMT
While the overall result looks good I’m very concerned about Reform getting that number of votes - even if the number of seats don’t reflect them. Agreed but it’s also kinda good as it splits the Tory vote. My area red for first time ever. Not just mine but the ones directly east and west as well. 3 areas all red and all 3 never before.
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 5, 2024 10:06:54 GMT
Immigration and ‘the establishment’ are the only thing reform can talk about. If labour does something to make the numbers look better to the racists, and there are options which aren’t inhumane or stupid, then that’ll weaken them a lot.
I don’t think everyone that clued reform would swarm to the conservatives later either.
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