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Post by Reviewer on Sept 20, 2021 7:50:43 GMT
Not sure what the point of having a privatised energy market is if you just bail the companies out. Surely we should be looking at nationalising the failing ones. I thought they weren’t talking about bailing them out, just covering costs until they’re sold off/customers are transferred. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 7:51:27 GMT
Private Eye will have something to say on this, they have been banging on for years about the risks around these (effectively) energy resellers.
Infact the country could do much worse than beating the entire Tory Party to death with rolled up copies of PE and then running the country based on whatever can still be read through the blood stains. Granted the cartoons would often be shit but everything else would work better.
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Post by technoish on Sept 20, 2021 8:01:03 GMT
It's astonishing they haven't got long term hedging.
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Post by askew on Sept 20, 2021 10:41:02 GMT
Bulb being the 6th biggest is pretty meaningless when the top 5 cover 3/4 of the market, there’s about 60 companies fighting for the last quarter. It’s like saying you’re the 4th best British tennis player That’s fair enough. I think it was more that all the resellers from 6-70 are going to be in trouble, and we’ll be back with the usual suspects again. |
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Post by Dougs on Sept 20, 2021 11:42:34 GMT
I don't follow the sector closely but seems like some weak ass regulation for it to fall over so spectacularly.
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Post by dogbot on Sept 20, 2021 11:43:43 GMT
Not sure what the point of having a privatised energy market is if you just bail the companies out. Surely we should be looking at nationalising the failing ones. They will. Then they'll quietly sell them (or their debts) off to their mates at pence on the pound when everything has calmed down. |
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Post by askew on Sept 20, 2021 21:02:21 GMT
Good job half of you have got your fancy wood-burning stoves  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 7:49:02 GMT
sort of politics related but "insulate Britain" are doing themself no favours on how they are dangerously blocking the motorways. A woman died because she could not get to hospital in time in watford. In these groups, some or most of these groups are there to cause problems and mostly don't have jobs. There isn't the way to go about change, pissing off the public is never a good way.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 21, 2021 7:54:17 GMT
The protests aren't really designed to get the public on side, they're designed to be disruptive as possible.
It's all well and good trying to win the hearts and minds of the public, but that approach has been tried for the last couple of decades and had no impact so disruption it is.
Whether or not you think that's a good approach or not, pissing off the public is neither here-nor-there from the protesters point of view.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 21, 2021 8:13:48 GMT
Every protest that has ever had any kind of effect has been criticised for being too radical or disruptive. Thats the point. Like that idiot Gary Rowett asking players to perform a different kind of gesture that his racist fans could more easily ignore.
They have to do annoying bullshit like glueing themselves to motorways otherwise they may as well be sat at home tweeting #IStandWithPlanetEarth
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Post by Dgzter on Sept 21, 2021 8:19:54 GMT
A woman died because she could not get to hospital in time in watford. Genuine question: where did you see this? And is it a different/separate incident to the one doing the rounds on social media this morning about the Watford woman apparently left paralyzed after suffering a stroke, whose son opted to drive her himself to the hospital as opposed to calling the emergency services and alleges to have had to sit in 6 hours of traffic whilst his mother deteriorated in the backseat? As far as I can see the paper what ran that story has been unable to substantiate it--though that does not, of course, mean that it didn't happen. |
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Post by dogbot on Sept 21, 2021 8:27:06 GMT
Yes, but they don't have jobs, you know?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 9:24:10 GMT
A woman died because she could not get to hospital in time in watford. Genuine question: where did you see this? And is it a different/separate incident to the one doing the rounds on social media this morning about the Watford woman apparently left paralyzed after suffering a stroke, whose son opted to drive her himself to the hospital as opposed to calling the emergency services and alleges to have had to sit in 6 hours of traffic whilst his mother deteriorated in the backseat? As far as I can see the paper what ran that story has been unable to substantiate it--though that does not, of course, mean that it didn't happen. story on watford observer website another post said they tried to go for hearts and minds, nah, they never have |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 21, 2021 9:29:48 GMT
They definitely have, the just 20 years have seen lots of people appealing to the public to change their habits.
That you can't even remember it says how successful that approach was.
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Post by Dgzter on Sept 21, 2021 9:34:41 GMT
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 21, 2021 9:36:48 GMT
They arent really even asking for anything unreasonable, just for the government to keep its promises. Their demands arent a massive walk away from our green commitments anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 9:44:59 GMT
They definitely have, the just 20 years have seen lots of people appealing to the public to change their habits. That you can't even remember it says how successful that approach was. I don't believe its down to these people but the average person wanting to make a change due to their own decisions like cycle into work etc Things to have change in the world as we are seeing climate changes but pissing off people trying to earn a living is not going to help. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 21, 2021 9:47:08 GMT
No one is going to think about anything until people get up in their grills about it.
Is this the best way to protest? Maybe no. Is everyone talking about them and their aims? Yes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 10:00:25 GMT
Re the Watford incident * , the press were certainly trying to suggest she had died with 'I watched my mum slip away' headlines, and as above no corroboration of anything, but that's all so pre-Cummings now.
* not The Bedford Incident, that's just a great film.
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Post by Dgzter on Sept 21, 2021 16:38:34 GMT
Cheerful thread on a study the National Grid commissioned back in 2015 about the potential effects of Brexit on UK energy supply. You can read all about it on the UK parliament websi ... oh! No. No you can't ... it's apparently been recently deleted:
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Post by sport✅ on Sept 21, 2021 16:50:17 GMT
Anyone got a TLDR?
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Post by Dgzter on Sept 21, 2021 17:00:12 GMT
Lots of this predicted, in particular the capacity for storage issues. Despite this Government still greenlit the closure of 70% of UK storage capacity, ran by Certrica, who were out to cut costs and maximise shareholder returns.
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Post by captbirdseye on Sept 22, 2021 7:28:51 GMT
That guy on GMB didn't help himself this morning. Proper school boy stuff.
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Post by sport✅ on Sept 22, 2021 7:35:52 GMT
That guy on GMB didn't help himself this morning. Proper school boy stuff. Anyone got a TLDW? |
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Post by Danno on Sept 22, 2021 8:22:59 GMT
The Insulate Britain guy?
I didn't see it but the headline seems to be "dude campaigning for the government to insulate homes does not, in fact have an insulated home"
Well... yeah, that's probably one of the reasons he's campaigning?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 8:24:08 GMT
That guy on GMB didn't help himself this morning. Proper school boy stuff. saw a bit of it, heard he stormed off later and RM said "you are not going to do a piers?"  of course he does not have his home insulated, these people love to preach at people but not follow his own advice. what a Piers |
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Post by Dougs on Sept 22, 2021 8:26:00 GMT
Tbf, not all homes are suitable to be insulated within an inch of their lives. Old houses in particular, just leads to condensation/damp everywhere
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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 22, 2021 8:28:33 GMT
Not to mention the cost of installing the insulation.
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Post by captbirdseye on Sept 22, 2021 8:32:31 GMT
It wouldn't have been much of an issue if maybe he had planned what he wanted to say. He basically turned up and ranted quite randomly about all kinds of stuff.
He lost it in the end when they pushed him on feeling any remorse for that woman who's now paralysed because of his actions.
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Post by TheSaint on Sept 22, 2021 8:41:07 GMT
These groups need to get themselves a proper spokesperson rather than just sticking some random guy on breakfast tv.
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