otto
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Post by otto on Jun 19, 2024 20:34:41 GMT
Or Rishi Sunak…
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 19, 2024 20:39:40 GMT
Whatever anyone thinks of Thatcher she didn't instigate the Falklands Conflict, it wasn't helped by HMG not really paying much attention to the islands and reducing the naval presence so this is a weird take. The LibDem candidate is most expressive in responding to how batshit it is.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 19, 2024 20:44:13 GMT
Ha. I loved how he kind of jolted up then did a "is anyone else hearing this shit?" bit looking around the room.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 19, 2024 20:47:17 GMT
Also what the fuck has this got to do with anything?!
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Post by Frog on Jun 19, 2024 20:51:10 GMT
Well labour started the gulf war, Tories started the Falklands.
How many wars have the kind hearted people of reform started user Jambo.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 19, 2024 20:52:48 GMT
Touché user Frog. Touché.
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Lizard
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Post by Lizard on Jun 19, 2024 20:53:40 GMT
We must stop provoking kind-hearted statesman like Putin.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 19, 2024 20:56:02 GMT
Some people say he's the next reincarnation of the Dalai Lama.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jun 19, 2024 21:51:24 GMT
What on earth were they all thinking... and how many more are there?
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Post by Dougs on Jun 19, 2024 21:52:50 GMT
Making a cup of tea to celebrate and TCP to cure all ills. Amd lucozade of course. How could I have been so remiss?
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Post by Dougs on Jun 19, 2024 21:56:17 GMT
I once had a sure thing on a bet - I signed Alan Curbishley off before his press conference announcing he was taking over at Brighton. But I decided not to act as it just didn't seem right. All cash in a bookies, sure it would have been fine but once a civil servant, always a civil servant. If 23 year old me can work out it's dodgy as fuck, how did this lot expect to get away with it?
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Post by JuniorFE on Jun 19, 2024 21:56:54 GMT
Trowel 🏴 it's the final grift, winner becomes the next Tory frontliner /s
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jun 19, 2024 22:10:24 GMT
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Post by Danno on Jun 19, 2024 22:27:55 GMT
Still some tumours on that map, wtf is happening near the Scottish border
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Post by simple on Jun 19, 2024 22:34:23 GMT
I think those Borders ones are just a couple of really big rural constituencies where people still go fox hunting but they distort the map by being geographically large but very population light
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Post by Danno on Jun 19, 2024 22:36:41 GMT
Dacre's estate eh
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 20, 2024 1:41:58 GMT
The Telegraph poll seems way more extreme than the other papers are reporting. Are they just trying to scare people into voting Tory?
Luckily, bottom of the page, Kemi's seat is safe, and she's the future of the party! Phew!
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Post by X201 on Jun 20, 2024 1:43:00 GMT
I think those Borders ones are just a couple of really big rural constituencies where people still go fox hunting but they distort the map by being geographically large but very population light Or, to put it another way. The absolute worst way to present this data. It’s the bloody Torygraph stoking the Labour landslide crap.
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Lizard
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Post by Lizard on Jun 20, 2024 2:03:50 GMT
Yeah, there's no fucking way rural Lincolnshire will go Labour.
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Post by otto on Jun 20, 2024 4:56:24 GMT
I am concerned that people are going to take a big Labour win for granted and stay away or register a protest vote. I really doubt it’s going to be anything like as emphatic as that.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 20, 2024 5:39:14 GMT
I feel like there's a reasonable change of the scare tactics backfiring. Both by making the Tories look like losers, and by demoralizing their supporters so they'll either stay at home or vote Reform.
Given that Labour seem guaranteed to get at least a reasonable majority, I'm kinda sad that they've locked themselves in so much with their promises on tax etc.. They might end up with a super majority, and not be able to do much with it.
I understand why they felt they had to do it, at least in the early days. They didn't want to get destroyed by the right-wing press. But with Reform eating the Tories' lunch, and Sunak effectively defeating himself at every opportunity, I feel like they could have stuck a bit more ambition and wiggle room into the manifesto.
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Jun 20, 2024 6:46:24 GMT
They'll gain wiggle room just from renewed investor confidence that functioning adults are in charge again. This will lead to growth, which will create scope for further investment. They're at least as much, if not moreso talking to global markets, as the electorate.
I actually don't want The Tories to lose that badly. Worse than 97 is fine, a route means there's little scope for them to suffer for lurching to the right and more chance of some form of merger with Reform.
They absolutely deserve a proper drubbing, but the long term practicalities out way my desire for revenge.
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Jun 20, 2024 6:54:41 GMT
With inflation being on target and the BOE likely to hold any cut until after the election, it's possible that rates may have to be cut rapidly after the election to keep inflation from falling too far below target, or for QE to be used in some form.
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 20, 2024 7:05:43 GMT
Labour winning by miles wouldn't make me want to vote for the shower of shit that are the tories. What's the point of an opposition having a voice when all they want are culture wars and immigration to be the main issues.
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 20, 2024 7:21:41 GMT
Agree. I don't think the Tories deserve a voice anymore. Even if their actions are tepid, they use the platform to spread hate and the most damaging of views for the average person. I want to see the Lib Dems to become the main opposition and then we can actually start having adult conversations about the issues the country faces.
It ain't going to happen, but Lib Dems being the official opposition would really shift the discourse, at the very least within Westminster. Hopefully, our media would have to follow (although I have next to zero confidence in that happening)
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Post by Chopsen on Jun 20, 2024 7:24:35 GMT
With inflation being on target and the BOE likely to hold any cut until after the election, it's possible that rates may have to be cut rapidly after the election to keep inflation from falling too far below target, or for QE to be used in some form. What you basing those inflation expectations on?
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jun 20, 2024 7:51:25 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 20, 2024 8:03:53 GMT
Chortle
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 20, 2024 8:15:18 GMT
They might end up with a super majority, and not be able to do much with it. This does slightly irate me. There's no such thing as a supermajority in British politics. It would have been *more* than sensible to employ that requirement in something like the Brexit referendum but, functionally, it doesn't make a difference if they have a one MP majority or 100. And, yes, being a vibes based person, the lie does make them seem desperate and I get the impression that the falling polls indicate that them being losers is snowballing. Everything they say and do gives off an air of 'whats the fucking point?' so their vote share is being eroded by apathy and them being absolutely toxic to be associated with. Its impossible to see how they can swing this back by even a few percent.
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Post by stuz359 on Jun 20, 2024 8:15:41 GMT
With inflation being on target and the BOE likely to hold any cut until after the election, it's possible that rates may have to be cut rapidly after the election to keep inflation from falling too far below target, or for QE to be used in some form. Bank of England Interest Rates will fall when the Federal Reserve cuts Interest Rates.
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