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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 23, 2024 20:41:01 GMT
Is she actually talking about her conscience? I think she's referring to her intelligence. But yeah, a former British PM everyone.
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Post by JuniorFE on Mar 23, 2024 20:56:30 GMT
The lettuce would have been better. Ok, so that is deep covered. What does she mean by "state"? It's a reference to the utter state of her delusional mind. The bullshit goes deep, we know something's wrong with her but not exactly what, and it's dangerous. Checks out
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Post by zephro on Mar 23, 2024 20:59:39 GMT
The lettuce would have been better. Ok, so that is deep covered. What does she mean by "state"? I mean it's like deep.... man. Like real deep. *smokes* So deep.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 23, 2024 21:02:11 GMT
This person was the Prime Minister. It fucking blows my mind.
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Post by zephro on Mar 23, 2024 21:13:15 GMT
This person was the Prime Minister. It fucking blows my mind. I know a gif for this!
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Post by Dougs on Mar 23, 2024 21:15:35 GMT
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Post by Vortex on Mar 23, 2024 22:08:12 GMT
The lettuce would definitely have raised the IQ of that government significantly.
Sheesh.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 24, 2024 1:58:01 GMT
Interviews with these people should just be asking them to clarify what they mean by terms they throw out all the time, because they can almost never do it.
So, (ex-)Prime Minister, what exactly do you mean by 'woke / deep state / Liberal / common sense / cat' etc...
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Post by minimatt on Mar 24, 2024 6:10:32 GMT
the last decade has dissuaded me of the notion that, as much as I may disagree with them, a certain level of basic competence must be demonstrated of candidates to survive the cut & thrust of local politics to reach selection and then again at Westminster to be trusted with a department - surely there must be some filter effect?
not the case i guess. suspect worse in the tory party as their membership base is so much smaller and older than other parties - if you're under 60 and show the slightest interest in politics you're a shoo-in for selection as the local tory candidate
really really wary of declaring myself cleverer than anyone but some of these people are complete morons. for all their talk of bringing the private sector to the fore, I don't think i've worked with anyone as incompetent with the exception of one bloke who wasn't trusted with anything more complicated than a stapler - we certainly didn't give him a multi-million pound department
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Post by Lizard on Mar 24, 2024 6:12:56 GMT
the last decade has dissuaded me of the notion that, as much as I may disagree with them, a certain level of basic competence must be demonstrated of candidates to survive the cut & thrust of local politics to reach selection and then again at Westminster to be trusted with a department - surely there must be some filter effect? not the case i guess. suspect worse in the tory party as their membership base is so much smaller and older than other parties - if you're under 60 and show the slightest interest in politics you're a shoo-in for selection as the local tory candidate really really wary of declaring myself cleverer than anyone but some of these people are complete morons. for all their talk of bringing the private sector to the fore, I don't think i've worked with anyone as incompetent with the exception of one bloke who wasn't trusted with anything more complicated than a stapler - we certainly didn't give him a multi-million pound department How was his stapling?
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Post by minimatt on Mar 24, 2024 6:16:07 GMT
pretty excellent to be fair. didn't always limit himself to stapling together things which people actually wanted stapling together, but that's just the kind of go-getting attitude we want in today's labour force
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Post by apollo on Mar 24, 2024 13:34:05 GMT
if an PM steps down then there should be general election as the public didn't vote for her (and she would never win even before this). In normal world if an PM did step down then you would get someone sort of normal, but in the real world, you get truss and sunak
Also I saw a news link that Jeremey cunt was saying £100k was shit wages for surrey. Fuck these people
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Post by mothercruncher on Mar 24, 2024 13:48:51 GMT
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Mar 24, 2024 14:16:18 GMT
if an PM steps down then there should be general election as the public didn't vote for her (and she would never win even before this). In normal world if an PM did step down then you would get someone sort of normal, but in the real world, you get truss and sunak
Also I saw a news link that Jeremey cunt was saying £100k was shit wages for surrey. Fuck these people
That's not how our democracy works though. The vast majority of people don't directly vote for PM, just their constituents. Most people vote for a candidate, representing a party to become the MP for their constituency. The leader of the party who can command a majority in the house of commons is PM. We don't have a presidential system because our head of state is unelected and even with a presidential system, the VP would take over.
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Post by simple on Mar 24, 2024 14:20:53 GMT
I don’t think they even *need* to be in the Commons, it would just be unthinkable to have party leader who sits in the Lords
I mean, its not like any of these rules are written down anyway
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Mar 24, 2024 14:26:01 GMT
Also I saw a news link that Jeremey cunt was saying £100k was shit wages for surrey. Fuck these people
Wow.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 24, 2024 14:31:07 GMT
I mean…. as crass as it sounds, he’s not too off the mark. The amazing thing is he’s saying it out loud because it’s his fault.
With the cost of living and the increased tax burden, 100k doesn’t get you that upper middle class Surrey dream life anymore.
It used to be ‘I can pretty much do what I want’ money but now it’s ’I don’t have to worry about paying bills’ money which is cool but it was aspirational.
And it’s partly that cunts doing.
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Post by Whizzo on Mar 24, 2024 14:53:46 GMT
There's quite a lot of Surrey that's pretty crappy, hell there's a lot of just Guildford that's fucking awful.
It's not all rich people and quaint little villages, bet Michael Gove won't be saying anything like that when campaigning in the new Godalming (pretty nice) and Ash (not so much) constituency he's trying to be elected into.
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Post by Chopsen on Mar 24, 2024 15:28:39 GMT
I mean…. as crass as it sounds, he’s not too off the mark. The amazing thing is he’s saying it out loud because it’s his fault. With the cost of living and the increased tax burden, 100k doesn’t get you that upper middle class Surrey dream life anymore. It used to be ‘I can pretty much do what I want’ money but now it’s ’I don’t have to worry about paying bills’ money which is cool but it was aspirational. And it’s partly that cunts doing. Eh....quite happy to give Hunt a kicking, and while sorting it is his *responsibility* I don't think you can entirely blame him.
Housing costs are a dominant part of this, and that one part historically low interest rates driving up asset prices including housing. There is also planning constraints and NIMBYism which is a broader political problem in this country. Admittedly the govt haven't done much to help with this, but the NIMBY is strong.
Cost of living was not even an exclusively UK thing.We're in a worse place with that as we continue to see the effect of Brexit (have we actually implement our side of the goods checking yet?).
Tax burden is a thing, and an ageing population who hate having immigrants mean we have fewer people being economically active means using economic growth to create tax income is not likely to happen any time soon (sorry, Reeves). So that's bigger than him too. Ofc, we could privatise the NHS and scrap the triple lock but good luck with that.
In fact, the one vaguely impactful thing he's known for as chancellor (reducing NI) is probably the single thing that has helped working age people specifically in ages.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 24, 2024 15:48:50 GMT
I don’t entirely blame him, I partly blame him. Hes part of an apparatus that, among many other things, gave us brexit, left us in a worse position than we needed to be after Covid and failed to reign in Truss. His problem is that he is a useless cunt who doesn’t have the talent to Chancellor us out of this mess so I would quite like him to fuck off.
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Post by Chopsen on Mar 24, 2024 16:01:43 GMT
Fair enough.
Though I don't think we're going to be any better off in 2029 having had 5 years of Labour tbh. Not to be "they're both the same" but the realities facing any election winner is going to be the same, and neither really want to seem to have a credible plan to sort it.
We don't pay enough tax for the level of service we expect, and demographic changes mean the burden to fund that is going to fall on a smaller cohort of our society. No party wants to be honest about that. Or about anything else that would like actually help (EU alignment on trade, taxing wealthy pensioners more, reducing cost of housing/house prices, increasing immigration).
I might be eating my hat if Labour do magically create economic growth and push through planning reform despite NIMBYism, though the way they've proposed to achieve this is all a bit hand-wavey and anything concrete they've said seems to be just constraining the space they've got to achieve that.
tl;dr - I don't think it's getting any better for working age people in the UK over the next decade.
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Post by stixxuk on Mar 24, 2024 18:07:08 GMT
Seriously though 100k is enough for a very comfortable lifestyle.
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Post by Rich on Mar 24, 2024 18:08:26 GMT
For single people, yes. For a family, the reality is it's not.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 24, 2024 18:36:05 GMT
Chopsen - I don’t mind a high tax burden if I see tangible results but we are paying North European Taxes and getting a North American level of social services. Denmark me up, as far as I’m concerned.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 24, 2024 18:37:39 GMT
Seriously though 100k is enough for a very comfortable lifestyle. Comfortable but not ‘Surrey Comfortable’. Even on 100k you’re still a messy redundancy away from being absolutely fucked.
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Post by zephro on Mar 24, 2024 19:06:35 GMT
Not that it isn't way cushier than most people, but where I live in North London your basic 2-up, 2 down terrace house is easily 800-900K. So assuming a 5X mortgage 100K isn't even "owns a house" rich, it's around about a 2 bed flat.
I remain baffled how they are occupied. Obviously the answer is "inherited wealth" or "bought it in the 80s for 20K".
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Post by technoish on Mar 24, 2024 19:12:56 GMT
Well, house buying is basically now predicated on two incomes, so it would be 2 x 100k, which could net you the 800-900k. But you'd still need the hefty deposit.
I'm also not saying 100k isn't a lot of money and more than vast majority of incomes, but at 100k your marginal tax goes up massively, and you suddenly lose access to (most) funded early years childcare. So with the increase in provision, it's suddenly an extra cost of like £20k per year per child (reducing as they get older and then zero for going to state school).
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Post by Tomo on Mar 24, 2024 19:22:37 GMT
My partner and I are on about 100k combined in East London with mortgage and it's not comfortable. He's right in that regard because the housing market is so cunted, by cunts like him refusing to enact enough supply to meet the demand.
However, being uncomfortable doesn't mean we're impoverished to the point we have to count every penny just to make ends meet every month, unlike many people less privileged than us middle class wankers. Which is really the perspective missing from Hunt's completely out of touch comments. As usual he's basically playing a tiny violin for squeezed middle voters who'd like an Audi instead of a Ford Mondeo.
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Post by Tomo on Mar 24, 2024 19:27:10 GMT
Also, as Nick alludes to, it's why his comments are so bonkers to me because the Tories have presided over this for so long and now at seemingly the end of their tenure, he's openly saying life is difficult for middle class people. One of their key demographics. Bonkers.
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Post by Chopsen on Mar 24, 2024 20:00:22 GMT
Oh they have totally trashed their reputation from total incompetence and inaction for years. They're even nothing in it between them and Labour in the age 65+ group, which would have been unthinkable a few years ago.
Also, re tax burden: we are fairly middling-high in terms of %age of tax derived from tax on personal income, and tax revenue from personal tax as a percentage of GDP. Denmark is a massive outlier, naturally. (https://data.oecd.org/tax/tax-on-personal-income.htm). We are, (I think?) the only G7 country that has a comprehensive free at the point of use health service with no need for personal insurance or co-payment.
There is some polling that people *are* willing to see higher taxes for a better level of public spending (https://www.ft.com/content/bc07381f-fa73-4552-860e-576d640cb90e - irronicaly starting while Truss was selected on her low tax agenda), but it doesn't look either party is willing to believe that in any meaningful way.
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