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Post by Whizzo on Feb 27, 2024 10:37:06 GMT
More dog whistling that's just whistling from this government with that job title.
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Post by otto on Feb 27, 2024 11:12:51 GMT
And presumably the “illegal migration” minister is responsible for asylum seekers ie legal migrants?
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Post by stuz359 on Feb 27, 2024 11:21:07 GMT
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Post by geefe on Feb 27, 2024 12:00:07 GMT
No no.
The legal immigration minister is allowed to do his job, while the illegal immigration minister is constantly skirting the law in his duties.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 27, 2024 12:41:41 GMT
I know the post office isn't popular right now, but why does it always seem like the proposed solution to things being screwed up by government policy is to privatize them.
AFAIK the government has already farmed out the most profitable bits of the post office to private companies, leaving them with the least profitable bits. It does seem like if it gets sold to amazon then that's the kind of thing that people are going to wind up regretting in the future.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 27, 2024 13:34:39 GMT
It’s the same as the perennial argument in America. Is the Post Office there to make money or ensure everyone has the ability to send and receive correspondence?
(It’s the latter)
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Post by stuz359 on Feb 27, 2024 13:36:20 GMT
I know the post office isn't popular right now, but why does it always seem like the proposed solution to things being screwed up by government policy is to privatize them. AFAIK the government has already farmed out the most profitable bits of the post office to private companies, leaving them with the least profitable bits. It does seem like if it gets sold to amazon then that's the kind of thing that people are going to wind up regretting in the future. What a ridiculous idea. 'Let's hand off citizens data for a pittance.'
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Post by geefe on Feb 27, 2024 13:39:48 GMT
Oh great now I don't know who to root for
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 27, 2024 14:58:06 GMT
I can see it now " Renew your Prime Subscription to recieve your post". Marvel 2099 was really on the money in this regard.
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Post by geefe on Feb 28, 2024 10:22:24 GMT
Hmmmmm £31 million to police safety of MPs. Not sure the optics for this are great. Valid, sure. But also didn't they cause this with their inflammatory language?
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 28, 2024 15:20:42 GMT
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Post by DJCopa on Feb 28, 2024 15:58:43 GMT
PMQs should just end - same rubbish each week - answers have little to no relevance to the question asked.
I know this is hardly a new thing but it's really got on my tits now!
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Post by Whizzo on Feb 28, 2024 16:17:51 GMT
PMQs has been pointless for ages, Johnson never answered anything, even Truss tried occasionally, Sunak is like Johnson using it for electioneering and nothing else.
Saw the order sheet somewhere and it was virtually all Tories apart from the opposition party leaders.
Hoyle has always been fucking useless in moderating it and given his recent issues he's not going to rock the boat.
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 28, 2024 16:19:20 GMT
Agreed. I found this week's PMQs particularly frustrating. It felt like Sunak was just doubling down on the "nothing to see here, aren't Conservatives great" rhetoric around the islamophobia in their party and just turning back on Starmer with Labour's anti-Semitism.
And he basically was lying in regard to the comparison between the way Sunak treated Anderson and the way Starmer handled their Rochdale candidate. Azhar Ali's initial comments were ridiculous, possibly coming from an anti-Semitic place, but not really in and of itself. He apologised. Then when the actual anti-Semitic stuff about Jews running the media came out he was gone within moments.
In comparison, Sunak and his merry liars won't even say what Anderson said was racist or islamophobic.
Then to top it off, we basically have Sunak saying the same thing as Anderson (without saying it out loud) by accusing Starmer of being dictated to by "protestors".
This election is going to be vile.
Edit - in regard to Tories asking more questions than the opposition benches, I've felt for a long time that it makes a mockery of the whole thing when half the time is someone from a random Tory constituency stands up and basically says "would the right honourable gentleman agree with me that we are doing a bally good job!" It is right that they should have time in parliament to ask questions of the PM as well, but it should be at a separate time.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 28, 2024 16:41:56 GMT
This all means this country is ripe for some democratic reform...we will get none.
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Post by Rich on Feb 28, 2024 18:42:36 GMT
Hmmmmm £31 million to police safety of MPs. Not sure the optics for this are great. Valid, sure. But also didn't they cause this with their inflammatory language? I'm quite sure there will be little to no 'police' involved. Which Tories are connected to private security firms?
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Post by Rich on Feb 28, 2024 18:46:24 GMT
Vandelay I think what this shows though, is that Starmer shouldn't try to attack the Tories like this. If he slings mud, they can sling it right back (even if it's completely fake mud, Starmer still gets hit.) Starmer should stick to attacking Sunak on records and policy where he has absolutely nothing.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 28, 2024 18:56:37 GMT
Vandelay I think what this shows though, is that Starmer shouldn't try to attack the Tories like this. If he slings mud, they can sling it right back (even if it's completely fake mud, Starmer still gets hit.) Starmer should stick to attacking Sunak on records and policy where he has absolutely nothing. That doesn't work either, Rishi just says labour are always blocking the Tories...apparently he doesn't know they have a (barely) majority.
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Post by Danno on Feb 28, 2024 19:02:47 GMT
Vandelay I think what this shows though, is that Starmer shouldn't try to attack the Tories like this. If he slings mud, they can sling it right back (even if it's completely fake mud, Starmer still gets hit.) Starmer should stick to attacking Sunak on records and policy where he has absolutely nothing. That doesn't work either, Rishi just says labour are always blocking the Tories...apparently he doesn't know they have a (barely) majority. And blocking what, anyway? The cunt hasn't tried legislating for anything but Rwanda and it's the Supreme Court and the Lords telling him to stick it.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 28, 2024 19:44:07 GMT
"It's not our fault, it's the party who's not in power who's made your live worse for the past 14 years. Vote Conservatives."
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Post by geefe on Feb 28, 2024 21:41:23 GMT
Well, I'm convinced
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Post by X201 on Feb 28, 2024 21:50:50 GMT
"It's not our fault, it's the party who's not in power who's made your live worse for the past 14 years. Vote Conservatives." As slogans go, it’s not as short and snappy as…
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Post by X201 on Feb 28, 2024 22:14:09 GMT
There is a "growing consensus that mob rule is replacing democratic rule", Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has warned.
I wondered where that petrol can had got to.
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Post by stuz359 on Feb 28, 2024 22:29:29 GMT
There is a "growing consensus that mob rule is replacing democratic rule", Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has warned. I wondered where that petrol can had got to. Jesus Christ is that's what he's going for? Legitimate peaceful protest is the very definition of democracy, in fact, the start of it. Violent revolution comes next as the state ignores it, but you get my point. I think my biggest fear (I mean politically, not personally, that would be weird) at the moment, is that Labour get in, with a massive majority. The fear is this, Labour get in, because of 'fiscal rules' and 'tough choices' on the economy, they don't fundamentally change anything. If peoples living standards continue to deteriorate, they will turn to populist alternatives and we have shift rightwards, again. But more extreme, more divisive and more dangerous.
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Post by stuz359 on Feb 28, 2024 22:31:48 GMT
I should caveat that with, If Labour get in with a massive majority and don't change anything and peoples living standards continue to fall.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Feb 28, 2024 23:20:11 GMT
Not often I find myself in agreement with David Davis, what with him being a massive cunt 99.9% of the time, but anything that results in a victory against someone who persues misogynistic vendettas and attacks the free press is a good thing, so lets hope an investigation costs Amersi even more money than he's already had to fork out.
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Post by Danno on Feb 28, 2024 23:29:52 GMT
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Post by zephro on Feb 29, 2024 0:24:43 GMT
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 29, 2024 6:02:22 GMT
There is a "growing consensus that mob rule is replacing democratic rule", Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has warned. I wondered where that petrol can had got to. This is one thing I don't get. There seems to be a lot less protesting in recent years than there used to be. When was the last time thousands of students were out protesting? It basically never happens any more. Plus what protests happen these days tend to be a lot more officially organized and a lot less prone to violence and rioting. Yet somehow we're apparently in the "terrible situation" where the police suddenly need draconian powers that they didn't seem to need for the past few hundred years. ??
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Feb 29, 2024 6:05:22 GMT
I should caveat that with, If Labour get in with a massive majority and don't change anything and peoples living standards continue to fall. Labour with a decent majority will gain fiscal headroom on bond yields, due to the threat of a Truss adjacent faction taking over the government disappearing. Their stated aim is also aligned with the IMF and broader market view. So just them gaining power, without the danger of extreme wings of the party having undue influence will likely lead to a stronger pound and lowering of interest rates on both private and public sector debt. Making room for investment and boosting growth. Of course, at some point the population will take this for granted and assume it's a default they can expect as a minimum.
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