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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 18, 2024 12:56:54 GMT
...among the Tory party membership, a niche bunch of weirdos with a fetish for people doing a Thatcher cosplay. Yeah, exactly. If those freaks don’t want him, why would anyone else?
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Post by geefe on Feb 18, 2024 20:04:57 GMT
Badentwat arguing with former Post Office boss, after he said she sacked him to blame someone and he refused to be a political tool.
Is there anything she actually does right?
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Post by stuz359 on Feb 18, 2024 21:59:08 GMT
Badentwat arguing with former Post Office boss, after he said she sacked him to blame someone and he refused to be a political tool. Is there anything she actually does right? She's odds on to be the next leader. She's going to be the William Hague of this generation. Without the talent. (As a qualifier, William Hague was brilliant at PMQ's. Shame he was a cunt).
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 19, 2024 11:12:03 GMT
Badentwat arguing with former Post Office boss, after he said she sacked him to blame someone and he refused to be a political tool. Is there anything she actually does right? She's odds on to be the next leader. She's going to be the William Hague of this generation. Without the talent. (As a qualifier, William Hague was brilliant at PMQ's. Shame he was a cunt). I can only see her as the next leader if it doesn't go to the party membership. I can't imagine the racist old fucks voting for a black woman.
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Post by clemfandango on Feb 19, 2024 11:23:00 GMT
She's odds on to be the next leader. She's going to be the William Hague of this generation. Without the talent. (As a qualifier, William Hague was brilliant at PMQ's. Shame he was a cunt). I can only see her as the next leader if it doesn't go to the party membership. I can't imagine the racist old fucks voting for a black woman. A very racist transphobic black women will be great for the party membership, they get everything they want and ease their guilt because she's black and women. Its a match made in hell.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 19, 2024 11:31:28 GMT
Indeed. It's no coincidence that PoC have been front and centre in the Tories when promoting some of the most discriminatory policies.
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 19, 2024 12:10:44 GMT
Interested to hear people's thoughts on the story about banning phones in schools, which the government seem to be trying to go ahead with. I don't have kids or work at a school, which I know there are a few people here covering both of those areas.
I'm generally not a fan of banning things and feels like the horse has already bolted on this one. I can perhaps see it being possible to implement something for under 11s, but I can't see it at all working for those in secondary school. I also feel that this is just an attempt to avoid going after the tech companies, instead putting the onus on schools and teachers having to action something that isn't feasible. There could also be equally a safety concern with not allowing kids to have phones, particularly if the ban is extended to not even allow kids to bring them to school. I'm sure lots of parents give their kids phones as a means to help keep track of them.
Completely understand where some people might be coming from with greater protections and I do think more needs to be done, just not sure this is the right approach. As I say though, perhaps actual parents with kids directly affected by this might have different opinions.
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Post by JuniorFE on Feb 19, 2024 12:24:15 GMT
Back when I was in school (old man, clouds, etc) it basically went "you can have your phones on you as long as you don't use them in class" (and I didn't really see anyone using them during breaks either tbh, but I don't know if it was a rule not to), which seems about right IMO.
I'd definitely be concerned if my kid couldn't have a phone at all, because I'd have no way to reach them and they wouldn't have a way to reach me if something happened, so it's a safety issue I'd rather avoid... And limited use (stuff like taking photos of notes rather than copying them by hand and risking not being able to keep up) also doesn't seem like too much of an issue I guess
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Post by Danno on Feb 19, 2024 12:34:34 GMT
VandelayIt's meaningless. Most (virtually all) schools have already banned phones in the classroom, if not the entire school, and this is only 'guidance', so feel free to ignore it because the govt is too busy firing on full auto at the bloody stumps where its feet were to pass any legislation.
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Post by geefe on Feb 19, 2024 12:39:41 GMT
I've been to a number of schools. Good ones already have a policy backed by parents. Shit ones don't. I've been in some schools where I didn't see a phone all day and some where the little cunts were blatantly listening to music and texting in lessons.
As for not allowing kids phones at all, I'm fairly sure people survived without them up until around 2000. The safety argument is so fucking straw man bullshit.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 19, 2024 12:50:38 GMT
They are so ubiquitous it’s like banning shoes. And the school runs all the homework and comms over an app so that’s going to be annoying.
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Feb 19, 2024 12:51:55 GMT
Legalise faraday cages in the classroom!
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 19, 2024 12:52:17 GMT
As for not allowing kids phones at all, I'm fairly sure people survived without them up until around 2000. The safety argument is so fucking straw man bullshit. Check your self before you ‘back in my day’ yourself. We also used to paint cribs in lead paint and shove children up chimneys, grandpa.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 19, 2024 12:56:11 GMT
The school grades are different here, but the middle school (age 13-16) my kids go to doesn't allow them to bring mobiles to school. Doesn't seem particularly tricky to implement.
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Post by JuniorFE on Feb 19, 2024 12:56:28 GMT
Cell phones barely existed "up until around 2000", I guarantee you that, if such an easy way for someone to contact you in case of emergency was that easily accessible back then, people would want their kids to have it back then too. Times change. Of course the opposite extreme of kids disrupting the lesson and fucking around on their phones isn't right, they're there to learn, but the safety concern is a real one. I'm sorry it (apparently) incenses you (edit: geefe ) so much, but if me wanting my kid to have a(nother) way to ensure they're safe and to be able to contact me (or anyone else) should it be necessary is so wrong, then I don't want to be right.
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Post by X201 on Feb 19, 2024 12:57:03 GMT
The phones thing is basically a:
We must do something. This is something. We must do it.
Knee-jerk reaction
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Post by clemfandango on Feb 19, 2024 13:07:38 GMT
They are banned in both of my daughters schools, they go in locker until home time. Nobody seems bothered at all it as its just normal.
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Post by geefe on Feb 19, 2024 13:18:36 GMT
It doesn't incense me. It's just a daft argument. Kids still get stabbed, involved in gangs, etc. The phones aren't making them safer. It all still relies on comms. You could talk to your kid every day but if they don't tell you anything, then you're still stuck with the same problem.
As it has been the case before - education, transparency and culture are the solutions. If kids feel no pressure to take part in social media trends, to develop social skills with others and are educated to keep themselves safe and report dangers, it mitigates a lot of the problems.
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Post by geefe on Feb 19, 2024 14:59:05 GMT
The more I see of kids post pandemic, the more I actually think schools should have just been kept open for English and Maths. Standards have fallen through the floor.
No joke we are into "if I have 1 bean and 3 beans, how many beans do I have?" territory
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Post by Saul1138 on Feb 19, 2024 15:50:43 GMT
No joke we are into "if I have 1 bean and 3 beans, how many beans do I have?" territory Not enough to count to seven.
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Post by knighty on Feb 19, 2024 15:54:19 GMT
The world has changed in twenty years. For a start, working patterns etc mean there’s less likely someone home when the kids walk in. I struggle to think of an arguments against allowing kids phones on the way home as long as they don’t distract from the school day.
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Post by mrpon on Feb 19, 2024 16:15:22 GMT
We had an email from the school frowning on using Google Translate!
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Post by geefe on Feb 19, 2024 16:27:56 GMT
We had an email from the school frowning on using Google Translate! It's a tricky one. We have learners that almost exclusively rely on Google Translate for assignments and what it's not good for is building language understanding. I can use it for the odd word to learn a particular word, or to help me understand a document but what it shouldn't be used for (in the same way Snapchat AI is by kids) is to just translate something from their language to English. That isn't language acquisition, it's using technology to crudely bodge an answer. I would suspect that is where the issue lies and there has been a slip into reliance, from some kids, into it.
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Post by Chopsen on Feb 19, 2024 16:32:52 GMT
The more I see of kids post pandemic, the more I actually think schools should have just been kept open for English and Maths. Standards have fallen through the floor. No joke we are into "if I have 1 bean and 3 beans, how many beans do I have?" territory See a lot more kids with mental health problems too: both in the national stats and anecdotally. I really think we've fucked a generation with lockdown.
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Post by technoish on Feb 19, 2024 16:36:10 GMT
I'm more of a proponent of properly banning social media for under 13s (or even 16s for mainstream social media without significant controls...).
Don't most kids have laptops/tablets now for school? Messaging etc would just be available on there anyway...
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Post by Resident Knievel on Feb 19, 2024 16:47:32 GMT
Look at user geefe over here hogging all the beans
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Post by geefe on Feb 19, 2024 16:58:59 GMT
I have some beans. Can't tell you how many.
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Post by X201 on Feb 19, 2024 17:14:35 GMT
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Post by zephro on Feb 19, 2024 19:32:28 GMT
Vandelay It's meaningless. Most (virtually all) schools have already banned phones in the classroom, if not the entire school, and this is only 'guidance', so feel free to ignore it because the govt is too busy firing on full auto at the bloody stumps where its feet were to pass any legislation. This was the impression I got. Do press release, offer guidance that schools already do.... costs nothing, doesn't require a vote in Parliament and you might get a write up in the Torygraph. It's just pointless basically.
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Post by Whizzo on Feb 19, 2024 19:40:24 GMT
Appearing to do something is pretty much all this government has left, it conveniently doesn't really cost anything either so it's a double win on their grid.
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