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Post by simple on Feb 12, 2024 11:27:30 GMT
After 50 years of neoliberalism, how do we get people to view collectivism in a positive light again? Just use the Brexit method. Tell them it will stop the forrins owning it. I’m quite surprised that there wasn’t more hostility to firms like EDF when energy prices started spiking on these grounds from the right wing papers. Whenever I saw it being brought up it was always from the left pointing out that those companies are owned by foreign governments.
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Post by Zyrr on Feb 12, 2024 11:45:13 GMT
The right wing media only ever play the 'forrins' card when it's politically advantageous. Chances are a whole bunch of them have some serious money invested in companies like EDF and would be quietly cheering on the tariff hikes.
Better to just distract with a new WOKE scandal, lest the Great Unwashed start paying attention to things that actually matter.
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Post by geefe on Feb 12, 2024 11:49:04 GMT
There will absolutely be money exchanging hands at that level.
Try to think of it like this:
Is there money to be made? Good foreign Are they from a poorer country and easy to spot? Bad foreign.
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Feb 12, 2024 21:24:32 GMT
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Post by stuz359 on Feb 12, 2024 21:32:31 GMT
It's politics by opinion poll at this point isn't it? 'We won't commit to a position until we're told it's REALLY unpopular.' Fucking depressing. No leadership whatsoever.
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Post by zephro on Feb 12, 2024 21:34:25 GMT
Jesus Christ I really thought they'd gotten better at actually checking people's backgrounds for this shite.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Feb 12, 2024 21:46:06 GMT
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Post by simple on Feb 12, 2024 21:56:35 GMT
Is this how George Galloway ends up getting back into parliament?
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Post by Chopsen on Feb 12, 2024 22:04:05 GMT
"The decision means that Mr Ali will remain on the ballot as the Labour candidate for Rochdale, but if he is elected he will sit as an independent MP or join another party."
This will be an interesting experiment in seeing how many people pay any attention to who the candidate is, and how many people just vote for their party at the ballot box.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 12, 2024 22:05:08 GMT
My guess is not many. Pay attention that is
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 12, 2024 23:13:29 GMT
My guess is as soon as it came out they were always going to ditch him before the next election. The fact they couldn't replace him before the by-election complicated things, as otherwise he would have been gone straight away. Others have been kicked out for less.
Not really sure what impact this will have on the actual vote. It was reasonably healthy majority already there, so it should have been a fairly safe win. I'm sure the Tories will be desperately hoping that this will destroy him, but even if it doesn't I expect they will still be making it the story come the result, to draw attention away from the other by-elections they are likely to lose this month.
Either way, probably the right move to just nip this in the bud now. Easy excuse if he does lose and Labour can look like they have already acted on it. If he wins, it can still at least be treated as a Tory loss.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Feb 12, 2024 23:23:15 GMT
The information age has become the age of absolute opinions. Black and white. Immigration, Welfare, Brexit, Israel, Gender, Policing, Terrorism, Housing. Person X is right because what they read on the internet is accurate and what the other guy read is fake.
Labour are their own worst enemy. The dithering leadership with Rochdale is one thing but it's infighting that keeps sinking their chances. From the top down through members to voters. The party has such an eclectic mix of people it's nearly impossible not to alienate a segment with each pledge or initiative.
I've little faith in polls and will be amazed if Starmer gets into No 10.
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Post by simple on Feb 13, 2024 0:16:00 GMT
It really is starting to feel like if Labour do get in it’ll be almost in spite of their efforts rather than because of them.
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Post by MysteryLamb on Feb 13, 2024 0:54:41 GMT
NHS really is on its arse. I've had to go to A&E twice in the last 4 months. 90 hour wait for a bed for those that need one. I didn't, but sitting in the waiting room with an elderly lady that had been there 30 hours already just breaks my heart. Having to repeatedly catch a guy who kept passing out on the other side of me who was told he needs a bed but they don't have one yet. He was heavy too. The staff - nurses, doctors, janitors, cleaners, caterers, all of them, even the weirdo homeless guy who declares himself head of security as you leave and tries convince you a tannoy has called you back, are just great btw. Wonderful people. Apart from the loon. The woman in charge (job title I don't know) obviously has to deal with this guy daily. She's a fucking legend.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 13, 2024 3:11:06 GMT
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Post by Dougs on Feb 13, 2024 7:46:03 GMT
My guess is not many. Pay attention that is
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 13, 2024 9:20:13 GMT
That excluding don't know part worries the fuck out of me. I'm constantly fearing what happened to Kinnock might happen to Starmer.
I was barely old enough to know what an election was at that time though so it may well be an irrational fear.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 13, 2024 9:30:36 GMT
My Gran fell in her kitchen on Friday and broke her hip. Five and a half hours for an ambulance laid out on the freezing cold tiles. Its absolutely amazing that she isn't a statistic now.
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Post by imamazed on Feb 13, 2024 9:33:44 GMT
That excluding don't know part worries the fuck out of me. I'm constantly fearing what happened to Kinnock might happen to Starmer. I was barely old enough to know what an election was at that time though so it may well be an irrational fear. x.com/Samfr/status/1757097448034455789?s=20I hope this is of some comfort.
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Post by geefe on Feb 13, 2024 9:43:26 GMT
My Gran fell in her kitchen on Friday and broke her hip. Five and a half hours for an ambulance laid out on the freezing cold tiles. Its absolutely amazing that she isn't a statistic now. Did the 999 caller advise calling a taxi or getting a lift? I've heard of people being told that if it's possible.
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Post by zephro on Feb 13, 2024 9:50:51 GMT
I wouldn't worry about 92 that much as there's so many differences.
The Labour lead was around 20 during the poll tax riots at the end of Thatcher. As soon as Major came in they narrowed immediately. He then scrapped the poll tax. So by this point in the cycle it was looking more like a narrow Labour victory or a hung parliament.
Kinnock never led Major on personal ratings and Labour was always behind on the economy.
Basically none of that is true here. After ousting Johnson or Truss their polling hasn't recovered at all. Sunak has actually seen his personal ratings dragged down by being PM. Labour lead on every measure. Who'd be better PM, who'd deal with the NHS, the economy etc.
Plus there's no time left for Sunak to manage a scrap the poll tax policy. There's no one specific issue that'd work, it's all structural stuff like the NHS, the trains etc. there just isn't a single law to replace to fix that. It'll take years.
Hence his desperate scratching around for anything that will cause divides, not cost serious money and get done fast. Like culture war stuff, which has failed to do anything to the polls so far.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 13, 2024 9:53:20 GMT
My Gran fell in her kitchen on Friday and broke her hip. Five and a half hours for an ambulance laid out on the freezing cold tiles. Its absolutely amazing that she isn't a statistic now. Sorry to hear that. The next battle will be trying to join up social care as and when she is ready to go home.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 13, 2024 10:06:55 GMT
My Gran fell in her kitchen on Friday and broke her hip. Five and a half hours for an ambulance laid out on the freezing cold tiles. Its absolutely amazing that she isn't a statistic now. Did the 999 caller advise calling a taxi or getting a lift? I've heard of people being told that if it's possible. She couldn't move. Her hip was fucked and she bruised her shoulder so it would have needed medical skills to get her shifted and lying flat. Not a service Albatross Cars can provide, sadly.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 13, 2024 10:08:49 GMT
Sorry to hear that. The next battle will be trying to join up social care as and when she is ready to go home. Yeah, I've got that this week. Tbf, the care since she went in has been exemplary and it *seems* like it will be relatively frictionless to get her into a rehab facility and then hopefully into a home but, yeah, that initial stage is stretched to breaking point.
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Post by minimatt on Feb 13, 2024 10:30:59 GMT
jesus christ sorry bongo, this shit scares the crap out of me. it's fucking disgraceful. response delays for stroke, heart attack etc result in permanent damage done for life
"king lies at bottom of stairs in agony for five hour wait for ambulance" headlines would be a fucking scandal, and that shit happens day in day out with our own parents and grandparents
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Post by simple on Feb 13, 2024 10:46:15 GMT
Sorry to hear that. The next battle will be trying to join up social care as and when she is ready to go home. Yeah, I've got that this week. Tbf, the care since she went in has been exemplary and it *seems* like it will be relatively frictionless to get her into a rehab facility and then hopefully into a home but, yeah, that initial stage is stretched to breaking point. Glad to hear the care has been good now she’s finally getting it at least. One of my friends had a 13 hour wait in A&E sat with an ankle that was broken in three places. She has longterm mobility problems but was recently encouraged by her GP not to become reliant on her sticks as her dependency on them was partly psychological in his opinion. She lasted three days before falling and the first two of those she’d been working from home.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 13, 2024 10:47:43 GMT
Glad to hear they are lining up rehab. Took us ages with my mum - no spots available for weeks on end and getting info out of both the hospital and social services was patchy at best. Fingers crossed it goes smoothly once she's up and about.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 13, 2024 11:05:16 GMT
My Gran fell in her kitchen on Friday and broke her hip. Five and a half hours for an ambulance laid out on the freezing cold tiles. Its absolutely amazing that she isn't a statistic now. Oh fuck
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Post by Ulythium on Feb 13, 2024 11:06:25 GMT
Sorry to hear that, Nick - what an awful thing to have happened.
I hope she's doing okay, physically and mentally.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 13, 2024 11:07:45 GMT
I wouldn't worry about 92 that much as there's so many differences. The Labour lead was around 20 during the poll tax riots at the end of Thatcher. As soon as Major came in they narrowed immediately. He then scrapped the poll tax. So by this point in the cycle it was looking more like a narrow Labour victory or a hung parliament. Kinnock never led Major on personal ratings and Labour was always behind on the economy. Basically none of that is true here. After ousting Johnson or Truss their polling hasn't recovered at all. Sunak has actually seen his personal ratings dragged down by being PM. Labour lead on every measure. Who'd be better PM, who'd deal with the NHS, the economy etc. Plus there's no time left for Sunak to manage a scrap the poll tax policy. There's no one specific issue that'd work, it's all structural stuff like the NHS, the trains etc. there just isn't a single law to replace to fix that. It'll take years. Hence his desperate scratching around for anything that will cause divides, not cost serious money and get done fast. Like culture war stuff, which has failed to do anything to the polls so far. I have a policy that would unfuck the country....single market entry. Actually that wouldn't help in the short term either. Oh well
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