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Post by Phattso on Feb 1, 2023 14:08:19 GMT
Series X has Gen4 actually, but it's a very slow version, basically Gen3. Ooooh, I didn't realise that! Potentially opens up the possibility of faster external drives? Frankly I'd rather MS had put a faster drive in and charged $20 more. In the scheme of things 4 seconds vs. 7 seconds isn't a big deal... but the PS5 is noticeably snappier, and it narks my on the Series X.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Feb 1, 2023 14:23:57 GMT
Nice and I see Leo at KitGuruTech did an install with it. In most 'cases' its makes sense - however I have a Torrent with the PSU at the top so wouldn't work (but then I have a ATX 3.0/PCIE 5.0 already).
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Feb 1, 2023 14:37:01 GMT
I can see the appeal especially so you don't have the tight nest of cables right behind the PSU between a HDD caddy area. However not all cases could accommodate side connections for cables. It wouldn't work in my fractal meshify I prefer the idea seasonic have with a connection bar, bit like Samsung TVs have a oneconnect box. seasonic.com/connect#
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Post by Goban on Feb 8, 2023 13:13:37 GMT
I couldn't find a 'my pc is borked...help! ' thread so this will have to do.
My PC was bricked by an update. I can't boot into recovery so I tried booting from the OS disk, and no matter what option I select it fails. Partition problems etc or just going to a blank screen.
Anyone got any ideas of how to fix it?
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Post by malek86 on Feb 8, 2023 14:22:57 GMT
I couldn't find a 'my pc is borked...help! ' thread so this will have to do. My PC was bricked by an update. I can't boot into recovery so I tried booting from the OS disk, and no matter what option I select it fails. Partition problems etc or just going to a blank screen. Anyone got any ideas of how to fix it? There's a Technical Support thread, but admittedly this is as good as any, really. What does it say when you try to boot into safe mode?
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Post by Fake_Blood on Feb 8, 2023 16:06:20 GMT
In my experience, windows doesn’t shit the bed very often, but when it does, nothing helps but a reinstall. Tried repairing a friends pc recently that was stuck in a repair loop. I used to be good at this stuff, but these days it just crashes with not a single error code you could google. Iirc there’s a way to get to cmd prompt and do a file integrity check, but I don’t remember how, and it didn’t fix the problem in my case.
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Post by Goban on Feb 8, 2023 16:47:07 GMT
I couldn't find a 'my pc is borked...help! ' thread so this will have to do. My PC was bricked by an update. I can't boot into recovery so I tried booting from the OS disk, and no matter what option I select it fails. Partition problems etc or just going to a blank screen. Anyone got any ideas of how to fix it? There's a Technical Support thread, but admittedly this is as good as any, really. What does it say when you try to boot into safe mode? It won't let me boot into safe mode as normal, just goes to a blank black screen. When I tried via a windows reinstall it either goes to the usual list of option, non of which work, or goes to the black screen.
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Post by Goban on Feb 8, 2023 17:03:58 GMT
I've set it to boot from disc, it gets to the boot from CD DVD bit then just sits on a blank black screen after going past the motherboard screen.
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Post by dfunked on Feb 8, 2023 17:06:51 GMT
Sounds like some fucked hardware to me... Possibly dead HDD/SSD so try unplugging those just to see if the windows installer gets past the bit it's stuck on (obviously without actually being able to install anything)
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Post by Goban on Feb 8, 2023 17:08:59 GMT
That's what I maybe thought.
I'll swap over the SSD and see if that works.
Cheers
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Post by Goban on Feb 8, 2023 17:12:40 GMT
I built it myself and it's a fucker of a tight fit to get at anything. Wish I hadn't got obsessed with making it small
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Post by Fake_Blood on Feb 8, 2023 17:22:48 GMT
If you’re going to open it up anyway, try one stick of ram, if that doesn’t work, try another stick of ram, in a different slot preferably.
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Post by malek86 on Feb 8, 2023 19:25:27 GMT
I actually had a similar problem a couple years ago, turned out it was a faulty CPU. I didn't even think of that (even changed mobo and PSU), until I eventually ran out of options and decided to replace the CPU with my previous one.
Of course, it could be the memory or mobo as well. I doubt it's the SSD since you said it crashes even from a USB drive.
Do you have any spare compatible parts that you could use for a replacement test?
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Post by Goban on Feb 8, 2023 22:13:44 GMT
Unfortunately not, I've got another SSD that's it. I've taken it apart and I'll try booting it up with various bit connected/disconnected tomorrow.
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Post by Goban on Feb 8, 2023 22:17:52 GMT
It goes into the bios utility when the SSD is disconnected.
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Post by Goban on Feb 9, 2023 18:38:35 GMT
SSD knackered, good excuse to buy some nice M2 storage.
Am I better installing the os onto the operational SSD or the M2?
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Post by malek86 on Feb 9, 2023 19:52:08 GMT
I'd say the faster one, but do keep in mind you might be somewhat in trouble if you ever need to upgrade your M2 and your mobo doesn't have two slots. Cloning to the new one will be a little harder. There are ways around it, of course.
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Post by Goban on Feb 9, 2023 20:35:11 GMT
I need to do a full pc upgrade sometime fairly soon, so any future mobo would have more than one. I've started looking at new kit, it's a bad sign...
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Post by Fake_Blood on Feb 9, 2023 20:51:54 GMT
Me too, been thinking about it for a while, and I like the look of those new Fractal cases.
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Post by Goban on Feb 9, 2023 20:53:27 GMT
They're pretty...oooo
Although I think I'm going to run with my existing case, it's restrictive, but I'm attached to it.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Feb 9, 2023 22:02:55 GMT
Me too, been thinking about it for a while, and I like the look of those new Fractal cases. If they did those in a full tower, I'd be all over it. My BitFenix Dawn has been a great and gorgeous case, but I need more air flow and that darker wood Fractal would match my desk perfectly.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Feb 9, 2023 22:11:32 GMT
I'd say the faster one, but do keep in mind you might be somewhat in trouble if you ever need to upgrade your M2 and your mobo doesn't have two slots. Cloning to the new one will be a little harder. There are ways around it, of course. I researched this and all you need is a caddy for a m2 plug that into your pc and clone the existing installation plop new one in place of the old one.
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Post by minimatt on Feb 9, 2023 22:56:36 GMT
If they did those in a full tower, I'd be all over it and if they did that in a mini-itx I'd be all over it, looks so pretty. did have a fractal define mini years back, they make some very nice cases
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Post by jimnastics on Feb 10, 2023 13:41:58 GMT
Would appreciate some advice here folks. Is there a fairly cheap (sub £500) CPU + GPU upgrade path for this machine, that would let my boy play modern games at medium/high settings 1080p? Maybe even something DLSS enabled for 1080p > 4k perhaps? Happy to go second hand. Or should I forget this and look at biting the bullet on a total overhaul? He really only plays Fortnite plus the odd new game that appears on Game Pass, but those games are seriously starting to stretch this machine, some unplayable.
Intel Core i7 4790 @ 3.60GHz (Socket 1150 LGA) MSI Z97-G43 mobo 16GB DDR3 RAM Radeon R9 280x 3GB GPU
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Post by dfunked on Feb 10, 2023 13:45:37 GMT
Yeah, you're already pretty maxxed out in terms of CPU. You'd need a new motherboard and memory if you want to upgrade that.
Could always look at overclocking a little perhaps and just put a new GPU in for the time being?
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Post by jimnastics on Feb 10, 2023 13:51:12 GMT
Yeah, you're already pretty maxxed out in terms of CPU. You'd need a new motherboard and memory if you want to upgrade that. Could always look at overclocking a little perhaps and just put a new GPU in for the time being?
Bugger, I was hoping there might be a CPU with more cores out there :/ Any thoughts on a GPU? As I understand it some of the newer ones would actually perform worse than older ones on this machine, due to some architecture thing? I get very confused...
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Post by BeetrootBertie on Feb 10, 2023 14:04:44 GMT
I'm using a GTX1660 Super with the same CPU and it's handling stuff pretty well at 1080p and 1440p, sometimes up to 144fps, depending on the game.
I'm not typically playing brand new, triple-A, graphically intensive types though, but reckon it could probably cope with a fair bit at 1080/medium.
Might be enough to carry you on for bit longer, or an RTX2060 perhaps assuming your PSU can cope (I've got a 500w one).
The only CPU upgrade is the i7 4790k, I think. It's overclockable if your mobo supports that.
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Post by jimnastics on Feb 10, 2023 15:07:15 GMT
I'm using a GTX1660 Super with the same CPU and it's handling stuff pretty well at 1080p and 1440p, sometimes up to 144fps, depending on the game. I'm not typically playing brand new, triple-A, graphically intensive types though, but reckon it could probably cope with a fair bit at 1080/medium. Might be enough to carry you on for bit longer, or an RTX2060 perhaps assuming your PSU can cope (I've got a 500w one). The only CPU upgrade is the i7 4790k, I think. It's overclockable if your mobo supports that.
That's awesome mate thanks, perfect! Just looking at the GTX1660 and RTX2060, I take it DLSS would work fine on the RTX2060 even with the aging CPU? It's completely GPU dependant? I'm thinking it might be worth geting a 2060 for circa £200 to make use of DLSS where possible...
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 10, 2023 15:40:40 GMT
Worth bearing in mind that as good as DLSS is, it isn't the saviour of frame rates that some think it is. There is still overhead to running it, so you aren't going to magically get 4k with 1080p performance. I'm not sure on actual benchmarks, but I expect even with DLSS you aren't going to get 60fps performance out of a 2060 at 4K. Probably fine if you are happy with 30fps though.
Still, it is very good at getting that extra few FPS. For example, the most recent CoD on my 2080 Super goes from about 45-50fps maxed out to about 75-80fps with DLSS enabled at 1440p. So, about 60% improvement (think that is on quality or maybe balanced).
Don't think there is any CPU usage of DLSS. It is all handled by the GPU.
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Post by jimnastics on Feb 10, 2023 15:50:41 GMT
Worth bearing in mind that as good as DLSS is, it isn't the saviour of frame rates that some think it is. There is still overhead to running it, so you aren't going to magically get 4k with 1080p performance. I'm not sure on actual benchmarks, but I expect even with DLSS you aren't going to get 60fps performance out of a 2060 at 4K. Probably fine if you are happy with 30fps though. Still, it is very good at getting that extra few FPS. For example, the most recent CoD on my 2080 Super goes from about 45-50fps maxed out to about 75-80fps with DLSS enabled at 1440p. So, about 60% improvement (think that is on quality or maybe balanced). Don't think there is any CPU usage of DLSS. It is all handled by the GPU.
Nice, it seems to me like a GTX2060 would be £200ish well spent at this point, if think decision (nearly!) made.
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