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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jan 6, 2023 12:18:31 GMT
Plague Tale and Portal RTX. You can get away without the frame gen on PT but portal not so much.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Jan 6, 2023 12:25:31 GMT
Plague Tale and Portal RTX. You can get away without the frame gen on PT but portal not so much. Have yet to get Plague Tale - Tried Portal RTX and am not even sure I ran it with frame generation unless it is on by default. A nice aesthetic improvement and ran really well.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Jan 6, 2023 12:36:52 GMT
It's on by default. Alt-X brings up a menu where you can play with the settings.
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Post by Buu on Jan 7, 2023 7:38:41 GMT
Looking to sell my PC and trying to work out if I should sell it as a complete item or as parts. But I don't really know how to price it. The specs are
MSI RTX 3090 OC i7 9700k Asus ROG Strix-E mobo 16GB RAM HX1500w PSU Can't remember the name of the case. Maybe a carbide H100i cooler 256GB SSD 500GB SSD 1TB SSD 1TB Nvme 1TB M2 SSD
Am I right in thinking ~£1750-2000 would be fair?
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Jan 7, 2023 9:04:23 GMT
Looking to sell my PC and trying to work out if I should sell it as a complete item or as parts. But I don't really know how to price it. The specs are MSI RTX 3090 OC i7 9700k Asus ROG Strix-E mobo 16GB RAM HX1500w PSU Can't remember the name of the case. Maybe a carbide H100i cooler 256GB SSD 500GB SSD 1TB SSD 1TB Nvme 1TB M2 SSD Am I right in thinking ~£1750-2000 would be fair? I'd say £1550 for a quick sale or £1700 if you are not bothered about selling it immediately (not including delivery). Insofar as selling individual components - that could take a while and what with all the postage and packing...you may end up selling the GPU and CPU but the small SSDs may not (you have a a lot of different bits of storage).
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Post by Buu on Jan 7, 2023 9:19:15 GMT
Yeah I'm not really in a mad rush to sell it. Waiting for news on the 4080/4090 laptops and real world benchmarks before I make my mind up. This would just be to take some of the sting out of the laptop price which will no doubt hurt!
Yeah I have a lot of storage. That's not including the 4TB of HDD space I also have but I'll keep those two drives.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Jan 7, 2023 12:04:41 GMT
Yea I understand - I just got a 4090 and am in the process of selling my 2070 super to take the 'sting' out as well (just need to take pics and put it on Ebay).
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Post by Buu on Jan 7, 2023 13:29:00 GMT
I just want to be able to actually use my computer! As it stands I'm lucky to get a few hours in on the weekend so I think for the next few years a laptop is the smart move. Sadly
Cheapest 4080 laptop I've seen so far is £2300. Don't really want to go over £3500 but if i can get a 4090 machine for that, I'll be quite happy
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Post by Fake_Blood on Jan 7, 2023 15:40:00 GMT
I’d certainly wait for benchmarks, GN was saying the laptop 4090 was basically a 4080 with a bunch of restrictions and running at 150 watt max. Which is still a lot for a laptop, don’t get me wrong, but it felt a bit disingenuous calling it a 4090.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 15:48:32 GMT
That’s the norm with laptop GPUs though. It’s never equivalent to its desktop namesake, usually a tier or two lower performance-wise. It has to be, to work within the wattage and heat parameters. But they do deliver a surprisingly strong performance level.
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Post by Chopsen on Jan 7, 2023 16:09:02 GMT
Blah blah blah GPUs blah blah blah gwaffix.
Audio! I just got a Epos Sennheiser 1000, which I'm with a pair Grado headphones.
I'm a bit dubious of DSPs generally (if it can be enhanced on the fly so easily, surely it could be enhanced even better at source, so what are you actually adding really?), but it is sounding rather superb.
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Post by Buu on Jan 7, 2023 16:25:27 GMT
Yeah I wouldn't expect a mobile 4090 to be even half as good as the desktop equivalent. But if I can get somewhat decent performance out of it to still use my 3840x1600 display, I'll be happy enough to game on it for a few years
Benchmarks are going to be important but it's bit of a case of as good as my PC is. It's all a bit pointless if I can't use it as much
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Post by Phattso on Jan 7, 2023 17:52:23 GMT
Yeah, I have a laptop 3080 in mine and at 1600p it’s a beast, only needing some DLSS magic if I want high settings at 4K.
Some laptops are doing the 4090 at 165W too, I think I read, to wring just that little bit more out of it.
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Post by salaman on Jan 10, 2023 22:25:05 GMT
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Jan 10, 2023 23:11:35 GMT
Depends on how you intend to use it. Is this for gaming? If so, what sort of games at what resolution and framerate? I would certainly change the 2TB HDD to an SSD or M2/NVME. I'd probably go for a 3060 as I have seen them (in the UK) at around £350. What is the i7 (a 13700K)?
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Post by malek86 on Jan 10, 2023 23:17:45 GMT
Can't load the link for some reason. Anyway... I wouldn't bother with mechanical HDDs at this point, not even for storage. Just get a SATA one if you need extra space. It won't be all that expensive. If you want, you can scrape off extra budget by getting 16GB of memory instead of 32GB. Frankly, it's more than enough for now. You can always upgrade later if you need. As for the GPU, the RTX 2060 is quite old by now, and not worth that price at all. For 350 euro, you could go for either the RTX 3060 12GB (if you care more about DLSS and ray tracing) or the Radeon 6650 XT (quite a bit faster, but no DLSS and crappier ray tracing). Of course, with a GPU like those two, you are not going to play with ray tracing much anyway (also depending on the resolution of your monitor), so if I were you I'd just get the AMD card. It's up to you though. You could check out a list of DLSS-supported games and see if there are the ones you want. If so, the 3060 might be a better idea. Frankly, the mainstream GPU market is a bit of a shambles right now, not a great time to upgrade.
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Post by Vandelay on Jan 10, 2023 23:23:11 GMT
If the existing HDDs are fine, I would just transfer those over and put the money you would have spent on the 2TB HDD drive into getting a 2TB SSD instead of 1TB.
Not sure on the other components you have selected, as seems the link hasn't retained your selections. Make sure the RAM has a decent speed (3200MHz is good). Also, 20 series is a couple of gens old now, so if you can get 30 series than that would be great (no idea when 4060 class cards will be out and judging by prices of other 40 series, 30 series is probably still the best bet if on a budget). If you want 1080p 60fps, you likely won't struggle too much with 2060 at the moment, but might show its age soon.
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Post by uiruki on Jan 10, 2023 23:35:05 GMT
One thing to make clear on the 3060 - the 8GB one is significantly slower than the 12GB one so don't get caught out. It's the same shit nVidia got called out on with the 4080.
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Post by grey_matters on Jan 10, 2023 23:44:22 GMT
What about just dropping in a decent card? A 6700 maybe. CPU probably can't keep up to max it out but the performance uptick would be huge for a miniaml outlay. Upgrade the rest whenever.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jan 11, 2023 0:12:55 GMT
What is your current mainboard? Do you have m.2 slots?
2x8gb for 16gb total is probably all you need unless you need more for workloads or you like to load up games with a shit ton of mods.
I've priced up a system for a family friend after they were going to go all in with some shitty omen prebuilt for nearly a grand or potentially a pcspecialist unit for nearly 1300.
A 3060 12gb like has been said above can be picked up for 350ish and the ti (8g) variant for 450 if you want to push it further.
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Post by magicpanda on Jan 11, 2023 13:35:29 GMT
I need to pack transport my PC tower for repair. Anyone got a good place to get boxes? Everything is far, far too big or too small.
Fractal Define 7 case which is pretty chunky.
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Post by salaman on Jan 11, 2023 21:30:38 GMT
Depends on how you intend to use it. Is this for gaming? If so, what sort of games at what resolution and framerate? I would certainly change the 2TB HDD to an SSD or M2/NVME. I'd probably go for a 3060 as I have seen them (in the UK) at around £350. What is the i7 (a 13700K)?
As the link doesn't seem to work. Here's what I came up with in detail. I forgot I actually swapped the i7 for Ryzen 7 last minute: - AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 3,8 GHz (4,7 GHz Turbo Boost) socket AM4 processor - Biostar B550MH v6.0, socket AM4 mobo - ASUS GeForce RTX 2060 DUAL EVO OC - 2 x Kingston FURY 16 GB DDR4-3200 - Kingston NV2 NVMe PCIe 4.0, 1 TB SSD - Seagate Video 3.5 HDD, 2 TB To answer the questions: It is meant for gaming. I'm far from a graphic whore or FPS chaser. If it can run on my 2560 * 1080 monitor with Medium graphics and 30FPS, I'm happy. My Stepson uses it for Rocket league, Minecraft and some online shooters like Valorant. I Play through my backlog of steam sale games and currently games like DOOM or Wolfenstein the New Colossus are a struggle. I finished wolfie in coop with a friend but between every loading screen I got a message about being out of video memory. I'd like to have a go at the new Baldur's gate when it's out. That's about it. Nothing intense. I probably won't play any 2023 games until I pcik them up in a steam sale in 2025 or 2026. :-) Good advice on the 16GB of RAM sufficing. Although my current RAM is 10 years old. ==> 16GB-Kit G.Skill RipJawsX PC3-14900U CL10 I'm having a look at using SSD's instead of HDD. Someone asked about the mainboard. Gigabyte G1.Sniper Z97 (Socket 1150-Intel Z97-ATX-DDR3-VGA) I did consider upgrading by buying a new graphics card but I assumed slapping a 3060 or A6700 in there would mean my CPU bottlenecks the whole thing. Although I just now realise that my original CPU 10 years ago was a AMD A10 5800K and dxdiag told me I have an i5, so I just forgot I upgraded it at some point in the last 10 years. Maybe I'll start by buying a new card and see how that goes. If I'm only upgrading the card, I can pay bump the budget up to €450 instead of €350, which suffices for an RTX 3060 12G card. My current PSU is a 550W Corsair Platinum. I hope that suffices. I just have to double check one of these monster cards actually fits in my case and matches with my PSU. Thanks for the input everyone.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jan 11, 2023 22:09:02 GMT
A 3060 comes with 1 or 2 fan shrouds so should easily fit in the smallest of cases.
You keep using € where are you in the world because I've been looking at UK sites.
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Post by grey_matters on Jan 11, 2023 23:18:40 GMT
A 3060 comes with 1 or 2 fan shrouds so should easily fit in the smallest of cases. You keep using € where are you in the world because I've been looking at UK sites. Belgium. Or at least he is of the Belgian persuasion.
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Post by grey_matters on Jan 11, 2023 23:26:58 GMT
Depends on how you intend to use it. Is this for gaming? If so, what sort of games at what resolution and framerate? I would certainly change the 2TB HDD to an SSD or M2/NVME. I'd probably go for a 3060 as I have seen them (in the UK) at around £350. What is the i7 (a 13700K)?
As the link doesn't seem to work. Here's what I came up with in detail. I forgot I actually swapped the i7 for Ryzen 7 last minute: - AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 3,8 GHz (4,7 GHz Turbo Boost) socket AM4 processor - Biostar B550MH v6.0, socket AM4 mobo - ASUS GeForce RTX 2060 DUAL EVO OC - 2 x Kingston FURY 16 GB DDR4-3200 - Kingston NV2 NVMe PCIe 4.0, 1 TB SSD - Seagate Video 3.5 HDD, 2 TB To answer the questions: It is meant for gaming. I'm far from a graphic whore or FPS chaser. If it can run on my 2560 * 1080 monitor with Medium graphics and 30FPS, I'm happy. My Stepson uses it for Rocket league, Minecraft and some online shooters like Valorant. I Play through my backlog of steam sale games and currently games like DOOM or Wolfenstein the New Colossus are a struggle. I finished wolfie in coop with a friend but between every loading screen I got a message about being out of video memory. I'd like to have a go at the new Baldur's gate when it's out. That's about it. Nothing intense. I probably won't play any 2023 games until I pcik them up in a steam sale in 2025 or 2026. :-) Good advice on the 16GB of RAM sufficing. Although my current RAM is 10 years old. ==> 16GB-Kit G.Skill RipJawsX PC3-14900U CL10 I'm having a look at using SSD's instead of HDD. Someone asked about the mainboard. Gigabyte G1.Sniper Z97 (Socket 1150-Intel Z97-ATX-DDR3-VGA) I did consider upgrading by buying a new graphics card but I assumed slapping a 3060 or A6700 in there would mean my CPU bottlenecks the whole thing. Although I just now realise that my original CPU 10 years ago was a AMD A10 5800K and dxdiag told me I have an i5, so I just forgot I upgraded it at some point in the last 10 years. Maybe I'll start by buying a new card and see how that goes. If I'm only upgrading the card, I can pay bump the budget up to €450 instead of €350, which suffices for an RTX 3060 12G card. My current PSU is a 550W Corsair Platinum. I hope that suffices. I just have to double check one of these monster cards actually fits in my case and matches with my PSU. Thanks for the input everyone. It'll still be bottlenecked a bit (how much depends on which card you go for) but it should still fly. With bonus extra flying when you do the rest, assuming you remember to.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Jan 12, 2023 9:18:56 GMT
The system you have earmarked looks 'fine' to me the exception of the storage options. PCIE Gen 4.0 is fast - but notably faster than Gen 3.0 in gaming? You won't notice. If you can get a Gen 4.0 drive for a good price no problem. The HDD is the weak point - your motherboard has only one NVME slot so you only option is get an SSD.
Speaking of the motherboard - it really is a cheap thing. Limited RAM slots, 1 NVME, no integrated backplate. Personally, and I have recommended this to a friends kid in a similar position, a Gigabyte B550 GAMING X V2 ATX AM4 is a good budget option.
The CPU - it's overkill for 1080p gaming at your refresh rate. A 5600x would be a better option. Spend the saved cash on storage or a better GPU.
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Post by dfunked on Jan 12, 2023 9:41:03 GMT
It might not be a massive difference in real world usage right now, but when directstorage starts to get used more, it'll definitely be a benefit. It's not a massively expensive model anyway, but seems to review well. I'd say stick with it.
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Post by Phattso on Jan 12, 2023 10:08:09 GMT
Indeed. I have access to both PCIE Gen 3 and Gen 4 laptops, and I can feel the difference in day to day usage. That's only going to become more pronounced as time goes on.
That said, the Series X only has Gen 3 in it, so you'd at least be covered for console ports that expect said speed. The PS5 has Gen 4 though, so ports played on PC might suffer.
But then with that overall spec that's probably not the ballpark you're in anyway, so probably moot.
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Post by malek86 on Jan 12, 2023 13:54:43 GMT
Series X has Gen4 actually, but it's a very slow version, basically Gen3.
Mind, there were some DF tests where they showed that even a very slow Gen4 drive could keep up even with Ratchet & Clank, which is effectively a worst case scenario, so I wonder about the true necessity of Gen4. For what it's worth, I still think Sony and MS could have just stuck to Gen3, got more or elss the same performance, and the consoles might have been 20 bucks cheaper. I dunno.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Feb 1, 2023 12:49:38 GMT
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