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Post by minimatt on Dec 24, 2022 18:35:55 GMT
does anyone know if the rest of intel's 13th gen lineup is imminent? ie. the non-k designated normal chips and H/B series motherboard chipsets?
my 4th gen i5 has been falling off the bottom of minimum specs for some time and in dire need of refresh and if non-overclocky gear isn't released soon I'm going to be pestering you all on the merits of paring a 13th gen K chip with a 12th gen B series board and other such nonsense
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Post by malek86 on Dec 24, 2022 21:01:57 GMT
does anyone know if the rest of intel's 13th gen lineup is imminent? ie. the non-k designated normal chips and H/B series motherboard chipsets? my 4th gen i5 has been falling off the bottom of minimum specs for some time and in dire need of refresh and if non-overclocky gear isn't released soon I'm going to be pestering you all on the merits of paring a 13th gen K chip with a 12th gen B series board and other such nonsense There have been leaked bench, so they can't be too far off. Most likely gonna be announced at CES.
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Post by minimatt on Dec 24, 2022 21:09:21 GMT
ahh cool, thanks, will see what that brings
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Post by stixxuk on Dec 29, 2022 17:30:48 GMT
Tomo's comment on SFF builds got me looking at those and now I think that's the way I'm going to go. Think I'll go for the NR200p. Was looking at the max version (which includes an AIO cooler and PSU) but actually think I prefer the idea of air cooling for long-term reliability, hoping this thing will last me a few years. Not planning to go absolutely top-end nor overclock so I guess I should wait for the next round of GPU releases (4070 and AMD equivalents) either to get one of those or in the hope prices will come down on previous-gen stuff. Provisional build I've got so far, does it look sensible? Just to add, I'm also planning on getting the AW3423DWF for this to power.
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Post by timmywimmywoo on Dec 31, 2022 15:48:22 GMT
I've got an NR200 and love it. It houses a 3080Ti and a Ryzen 5900x with a Scythe Fuma 2 cooler thing. I want to get a 4090 next year, and I think there are a couple that will fit, albeit with some mild dismantling of the case before rebuilding around the card.
Your spec looks fine to me - I've got an 850W PSU in mine though, just to be on the safe side. Might be worth bumping it up from a 750 for a bit of future-proofing?
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Post by stixxuk on Dec 31, 2022 18:08:03 GMT
Thanks, glad you like yours. Think I might change the motherboard to a B660 (as far as I can tell you'll get better general components for an equivalent price, just at the cost of overclocking capability. Also considering getting the non-K 13600 if that gets released soon.
On the other hand, if I don't wait I can buy stuff now.
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Post by Tomo on Dec 31, 2022 18:36:02 GMT
Yeah that looks good.
Been a while since I built mine but that case is popular for good reason.
I went for a Dan A4. It's a thing of beauty and I can lift it with one hand. Super portable. But it's too small for most 30xx cards and newer.
Dan made the C4 case recently which basically addresses the issue of creeping GPU sizes.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Jan 4, 2023 11:40:46 GMT
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Post by dfunked on Jan 4, 2023 11:47:41 GMT
Yikes. That's a lot of money!
The "4070 ti" being priced to compete with the 3080 is a bit of a kick in the nuts. That'd be a totally pointless upgrade for me, and that's about the max I'd be willing to pay for a single component. Definitely can't see myself considering an upgrade for at least another gen.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Jan 4, 2023 11:59:02 GMT
Yea it is a lot of money and the most I have ever spent on a single component - I have saved money for this and will sell my 2070 super for £280 to help soften the blow. I see it as a long-term investment and will help me drive my 120hz LG TV for the next five years at least. I mulled over a 4080/4070ti but felt I'll get more for longer. I have always bought 70 series cards so this is a big departure.
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Post by uiruki on Jan 4, 2023 12:12:59 GMT
In terms of raw performance per pound it's the best 'value' in the nVidia stack, especially the FE, so if you can afford it, then go for it. It's the other 4000 series cards which are harder to recommend. If you do any work at all on your PC that's accelerated by your graphics card it's also a bit of a no-brainer due to how much faster it is than anything else.
Remember to get that power limit down to 80-85% or so though to win back a lot of power consumption at the cost of very little performance. Hope your CPU is up to the challenge!
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Jan 4, 2023 12:30:38 GMT
I do work on my PC for my design stuff - I use Photoshop/Illustrator/Indesign - the 4090 will help with Photoshop and the odd use of Adobe Rush - Indesign doesn't use the GPU on PC which is a shame. I will be able to offset some of the GPU cost for my business. I have a 5800x3d which I recently bought (didn't go with AM5 as I already had an AM4 motherboard+RAM).
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Post by captbirdseye on Jan 4, 2023 14:35:57 GMT
4070ti video thumbnails lol. Not sure what Nvidia expected realising a card at this price point.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jan 4, 2023 15:08:40 GMT
4070ti video thumbnails lol. Not sure what Nvidia expected realising a card at this price point. isn't it being touted as 3 X 3080ti equiv... that's some hard caveating!
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Post by captbirdseye on Jan 4, 2023 15:23:58 GMT
As per usual Nvidia hiding behind DLSS 3 benchmarks and the 4070ti should really be the 4060. Nvidia's pricing is absolute mess this gen but I guess the over stock of the 3000 pushed their hand a bit this gen.
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Post by Vandelay on Jan 4, 2023 20:26:23 GMT
Seems DF are being reasonably kind to it and suggesting the pricing is about right. Really not sure I can agree with them. This feels like it should be the price point for the 4080 (maybe a little under where that should be, but not much). It is also irrelevant, as the cards you are actually going to buy will be pushing the £1000, unless you can get hold of the FE version.
Was hoping the pre-Christmas rumours of price cut to the 4080 would be announced along with this release, but I don't feel that seems as likely now.
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Post by uiruki on Jan 4, 2023 20:46:54 GMT
There's no FE for the 4070Ti.
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Post by captbirdseye on Jan 5, 2023 8:35:02 GMT
I like DF but I completely ignore any Nvidia related reviews - anything they write always has the feel of 'paid for'.
Even if you take into account inflation and costs these cards should be nowhere near the current pricing which is even more depending on aib.
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Post by dfunked on Jan 5, 2023 8:54:20 GMT
Skim read the DF review and had to wonder what Rich was smoking. On no planet are these good value. Definitely had the feel of a paid for fluff piece.
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Post by Tomo on Jan 5, 2023 9:20:22 GMT
DF really just cares for tech first and money is a bit of an afterthought.
GPUs have been in a weird place for as long as I can remember and I'm surprised more hasn't been made of the insane pricing by the gaming/tech press.
A mix of crypto, hype, price gouging and lack of competition has basically meant Nvidia can do wtf they want.
I'd argue actually there's _less_ marquee games to really push graphics and warrant new cards compared to a decade ago. Feels like Cyberpunk was the last real game that you built a new PC just to play. And even prior to that there was what... Witcher 3?
It's why Nvidia has rammed RTX down our throats so hard. Something to give pixel peepers something to get frothy about.
I imagine if you have a 16:9 1440p monitor and just want 60Hz, you're probably fine with most modern games just on a 980Ti or a 1080.
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Post by malek86 on Jan 5, 2023 9:27:55 GMT
Nvidia backed themselves in a bit of a corner, I think. When 4K started becoming ubiquitous, they decided to introduce DLSS because it was the only way to cope really. But now it's the opposite: people have more power than they know what to do with, so they gotta keep introducing new techniques that would make people want to buy their cards. Ray tracing! Frame interpolation for 8K rendering! Super high framerate!
Monitor makers are probably happy at this development as well, so they keep introducing bigger and better monitors so that people will always have some reason to chase the latest GPU.
When you think about it, we have been stuck to 1080p60 as the "ideal" for a very long time. It's only in recent times that we've escalated in a ridiculous way to 4K60, then 4K120, and soon we'll probably get to "omg, you don't play on a 8K240 monitor? What are you, a console peasant?".
Me, I guess I'll stick to this ultrawide 1080p60 for a while longer... and that will also mean I won't need to sign up for a mortgage to buy a new GPU every year. Sure, this RX 480 is getting very long in the tooth, but even it is still somewhat holding up. So I expect my next GPU (assuming it will be somewhere around the RX 6700 XT level) to last me for a long time too.
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Post by Vandelay on Jan 5, 2023 10:37:46 GMT
There's no FE for the 4070Ti. Oh really? Then the RRP is even more irrelevant!
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Post by Fake_Blood on Jan 5, 2023 10:44:18 GMT
I think it’s more what else can we do with these machine learning cores we need to make for the data centres, ah ray tracing. That said, I had my doubts about DLSS, but it’s pretty fucking amazing what it does.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jan 5, 2023 11:07:07 GMT
Tomo I had a zotac 980ti when cyberpunk came out and it was the first game where it couldn't keep up. Reducing all the settings down to an acceptable visual level and I couldn't maintain a 30fps at 1440p so had to drop to 1080 and that ended up looking worse non native. Now, mileage will vary and one persons visual minimum is very different to another but I think that a 980 is just too much of a stretch these days for 1440p in modern stuff.
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Post by malek86 on Jan 5, 2023 11:12:36 GMT
My RX480, which is comparable to a GTX 970 but with more memory, already struggles with 1080p and sometimes even 900p if I want to keep a stable 60fps. Can't imagine a GTX 980 Ti keeping up with 1440p, unless you have FSR2 or something.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jan 5, 2023 11:33:55 GMT
FSR didn't exist back then so I'm not sure how it would affect things. Gotta be a video on YouTubes about it.
It might have improved my Ass Creed Greece playthough
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Post by lukasz on Jan 5, 2023 11:45:20 GMT
As per usual Nvidia hiding behind DLSS 3 benchmarks and the 4070ti should really be the 4060. Nvidia's pricing is absolute mess this gen but I guess the over stock of the 3000 pushed their hand a bit this gen. What worse is that it supposed to be 100 usd more expensive and be called 4080. I wonder what rubbish they are planning for actual 4070 and 4060. I imagine if you have a 16:9 1440p monitor and just want 60Hz, you're probably fine with most modern games just on a 980Ti or a 1080. I second disagreement to that point. Depending on what game of course but 1080 will not pull control, cyberpunk, and few others at average 60fps. Maybe if set everything to low but that generally makes games look worse than older less demanding games so is not worth imo. It is 6 year old card now.
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Post by Tomo on Jan 5, 2023 12:07:52 GMT
I was kinda plucking a card generation out of thin air with 9xx/10xx series.
That said, I do remember running PUBG quite capably on my 970 at 1080p and that was a notoriously sluggish game. I then jumped aboard the new monitor hype train malek is talking about and even at ultrawide 1440p it was still alright performance.
Cyberpunk is a different beast though I agree, hence why I built a new machine around that time.
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Post by malek86 on Jan 5, 2023 15:54:19 GMT
I was kinda plucking a card generation out of thin air with 9xx/10xx series. That said, I do remember running PUBG quite capably on my 970 at 1080p and that was a notoriously sluggish game. I then jumped aboard the new monitor hype train malek is talking about and even at ultrawide 1440p it was still alright performance. Cyberpunk is a different beast though I agree, hence why I built a new machine around that time. I think there's been a jump in requirements lately. Sure, a couple years ago a 980 Ti was probably still fine for 1440p, but most games were made with PS4 and X1 in mind. Today, most games are made for next-gen consoles, with last-gen ports being almost always a disappointment.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Jan 6, 2023 12:08:45 GMT
So installed the 4090FE yesterday - pretty straightforward. Fits well in the case (Torrent) and used the 12vhpower cable from the MSI 1000w PCIE 5.0 PSU (hard to cable manage as the PSU is at the top and the cable is only 600mm). Used DDU to get rid of prior drivers and it works well. Have set a power limit of 80% (so 430w down to 370w peak with only slight performance decrease - may look at overclocking the RAM to make that up but it seems great nevertheless). It's built very well and only 55c under load. Games run great - Cyberpunk is still really demanding (70fps with everything maxed to the hilt at 4k with DLSS set to Quality - looking forward to DLSS 3.0 with that - GPU was 98-100% usage so the 5800x3d doesn't seem to be bottlenecking it much). Witcher 3 looked great and with DLSS 3.0 ran at 120fps with RT. Shame DLSS 3.0 isn't on 30/20 series cards - what a game changer that would be. Need to check out other titles which push the card but, for now, I'm happy with it and will see me through for the next five or so years.
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