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Post by mikew1985 on Apr 20, 2023 20:57:48 GMT
Lads, you'll never guess who's injured? Did he even wait more than 5 minutes after Rashford came on?! Pathetic but that's not the reason for the loss tonight. Maguire and ddg truly awful. Basically hand them 4 goals in a European quarter final. Shows how much work still to do with this squad. |
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Post by Frog on Apr 20, 2023 20:58:03 GMT
Pretty sure Brighton will beat us as we seem to have no defence.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2023 20:59:56 GMT
Lads, you'll never guess who's injured? Did he even wait more than 5 minutes after Rashford came on?! Pathetic but that's not the reason for the loss tonight. Maguire and ddg truly awful. Basically hand them 4 goals in a European quarter final. Shows how much work still to do with this squad. Think Maguire actually pushes one of our own players onto Maguires ankle, just fir the meme creators out there. |
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Post by mikew1985 on Apr 20, 2023 21:00:03 GMT
I was pretty confident going into tonight and really if we'd been even mildly competent that game should have been very winnable.
Sunday however, I've always felt we'll lose to Brighton tbh
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Apr 20, 2023 21:01:51 GMT
Absolutely Pathetic
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Post by mikew1985 on Apr 20, 2023 21:02:31 GMT
Did he even wait more than 5 minutes after Rashford came on?! Pathetic but that's not the reason for the loss tonight. Maguire and ddg truly awful. Basically hand them 4 goals in a European quarter final. Shows how much work still to do with this squad. Think Maguire actually pushes one of our own players onto Maguires ankle, just fir the meme creators out there. I sort of feel sorry for him. He's not as bad as it's made out but he's done with us and he'll have one decent game with us followed by one where he is just a complete calamity both with decision making and just awkward clumsiness and terrible luck. |
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Apr 20, 2023 21:02:52 GMT
Pretty sure Brighton will beat us as we seem to have no defence. Yup we're about to get dicked...again. |
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Post by Tuffty on Apr 20, 2023 21:05:38 GMT
We beat Barca in one of our best performances in recent times...and then there's this.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Apr 20, 2023 21:06:23 GMT
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Post by mikew1985 on Apr 20, 2023 21:18:39 GMT
Beat Barcelona only to go out with that. Quite funny to be fair to opposition fans.
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Post by simple on Apr 20, 2023 21:25:32 GMT
Are West Ham actually going to win the Conference?
The teams left aren’t exactly terrifying if they can keep their shit together
Edit: watched the United highlights
1-0 : absolute school boy stuff
offside goal : how did AWB get beaten to the lose ball in the build up?!
goal mouth scramble : love to see one
3-0 : fuck me what was that
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Post by kal on Apr 21, 2023 6:14:52 GMT
I’ve only seen a clip on Twitter, but that mistake that everyone is going crazy at Maguire about is at least 50% De Gea’s fault, and that’s being very generous.
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Post by jp on Apr 21, 2023 6:21:44 GMT
Maguire does seem to gesture for the pass though.
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Post by simple on Apr 21, 2023 6:37:06 GMT
Yeah, Maguire does call for the pass but the keeper should probably spot that their defence is completely outnumbered and hoof it. If you’re requesting the ball you should probably have some idea what to do with it next and be alert to the forwards around you though.
I think its more that its indicative of the way everyone but Dalot seemed to be paying zero attention last night - also see AWB being massively caught out for the disallowed goal. I actually think, had it stood, the AWB one is worse because he’s under zero pressure and gets caught out by a player twenty yards away when the ball is practically at his feet. But then Maguire does have form in the unforced error department.
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Post by Frog on Apr 21, 2023 6:42:20 GMT
All Maguire had to do was turn and they wouldn't have gotten anywhere near him. Instead he decided to completely shit the bed and pass it straight to the opposition. He just isn't calm enough on the ball to play in a defense that is told to play it out from the back. Had to start the game with half of our first choice players off the pitch as well which was never going to be good.
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Post by Tuffty on Apr 21, 2023 7:04:11 GMT
And emphasises why he's not a first choice player. Swear, seeing him on the team sheet it already feels like we're 1-0 down before it's even kicked off. And it's felt that way for a long time. It is pretty incredible that Utd have got 2 calamitous center backs in Maguire and Jones.
And I stand by what I said, cut losses with Martial too, can't be depended upon
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Post by simple on Apr 21, 2023 7:13:22 GMT
Longer term DDG has shown that while he might not be a perfect fit for Ten Hag’s system he can do a job when the first choice centrebacks are in place. Maguire and, to a lesser extent, Lindelof have shown that just don’t have the awareness or confidence on the ball to play Ten Hag’s game.
If you’re looking to upgrade this summer Maguire would definitely be first out the door if anyone’ll take him. Although there’d be a case for all three going if there were replacements available and a market to buy them. Which isn’t very realistic.
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Post by kal on Apr 21, 2023 7:23:29 GMT
Maguire is for sure partly to blame. But De Gea is the one that can see everything. He’s the one facing out and can see it’s not safe to make that pass.
Again Maguire takes some blame but if it’s another player the focus would be on De Gea, who has made at least an equally bad error.
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Post by geefe on Apr 21, 2023 7:24:53 GMT
Having seen the goal, I can see the blame for Maguire but De Gea should be making the grown up decision to pass to literally anyone else.
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Post by geefe on Apr 21, 2023 7:26:04 GMT
Kal, I'd argue De Gea is worse in this. He has at least 3 options available and the time to choose. He chooses the worst one.
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Post by Frog on Apr 21, 2023 7:41:24 GMT
He has been playing with 2 centre backs with decent skills on the ball all season in Martinez and Varane. Neither of them remotely struggles to deal with a ball like that.
Oddly Maguire is ok at travelling with the ball when he doesn't have to turn much but he has the control of Lukaku
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Apr 21, 2023 7:48:53 GMT
De gea has this in him. In a high pressure knock out game he just looses it. He did it multiple times in that season with Ole where we got to a few semi's.
Also what Frog said, Maguire is just shitter than his usual defenders now.
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Post by kal on Apr 21, 2023 7:51:35 GMT
He has been playing with 2 centre backs with decent skills on the ball all season in Martinez and Varane. Neither of them remotely struggles to deal with a ball like that. Oddly Maguire is ok at travelling with the ball when he doesn't have to turn much but he has the control of Lukaku I mean again, for me that’s just another reason why it’s De Gea’s fault. He should know that better than anyone. |
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Apr 21, 2023 7:57:17 GMT
Wonder if we'll see the below De Gea on Sunday too (yes)
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Post by dogbot on Apr 21, 2023 8:13:30 GMT
Maguire is for sure partly to blame. But De Gea is the one that can see everything. He’s the one facing out and can see it’s not safe to make that pass. Again Maguire takes some blame but if it’s another player the focus would be on De Gea, who has made at least an equally bad error. Absolutely. It's a hospital ball from De Gea. Maguire is calling for it and he does poorly too, but De Gea doesn't have to pass to him and really shouldn't have done. De Gea had an absolute stinker last night, he was appalling. The idea that he's still worth another long term contract is ridiculous, frankly. |
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Apr 21, 2023 8:14:43 GMT
A timely reminder, if we're going to win anything of value, we need a keeper that doesn't choke under pressure.
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Post by Tuffty on Apr 21, 2023 8:16:51 GMT
De Gea might be harder to replace, who of that calibre is available?
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Post by dogbot on Apr 21, 2023 8:20:08 GMT
De Gea might be harder to replace, who of that calibre is available? Then we'll continue to struggle in big games. He isn't up to it anymore. He's still a good shot stopper but his command of the area and around the box play is at best poor. Part of the problem here is that once again, we're completely unprepared for this. We haven't done anything to try and have a backup plan in place. He should be dropped after that performance. Give Butland a few games. |
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Apr 21, 2023 8:20:25 GMT
De Gea might be harder to replace, who of that calibre is available? Shot stopping wise, yes he's probably the best in the world BUT there has to be a better all round player out there. Even just giving him a 1 year contract and sticking Henderson there might help. I don't know. |
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Post by kal on Apr 21, 2023 8:20:59 GMT
There’s lots of good young keepers around right now but you’ll be competing with Chelsea and Spurs. Raya, Meslier, Sanchez all from the PL and then the likes of Maignan from abroad.
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