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Post by JYM60 on May 24, 2022 15:59:48 GMT
I don't think Gervais was fat when he was young, was he?
Anyway, stand up is always shit imo. Sometimes there's a good one liner or something, but generally I find a lot of it just babbling shite.
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Post by Honk If You're Horny? on May 24, 2022 16:02:04 GMT
I haven't seen the new Gervais one but I've caught a few of the newer Netflix specials and the quality has been pretty dire.
Theres some pretty great stand up about, it's tricky to go by recommendations as humour is fairly subjective
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 24, 2022 16:11:48 GMT
Frankie Boyle does quite a good bit about being offended that Gervais chooses to self identify as a standup comedian after watching his last Netflix special.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 24, 2022 16:14:58 GMT
Ultimately the problem is this shit sells. Grifters like Gervais don't really care much about trans or cancel culture beyond it being incredibly easy to get lots of publicity and viewers. No I do really think he does care about cancel culture. He's transphobic just to be edgy, but I think he genuinely believes that innocent comedians pushing boundaries are losing their careers because people choose to be offended. It's like his whole thing now. I honestly think, same with Dave Chapelle, it’s just a millionaire throwing a ‘how dare you?’ tantrum after being told something they have done isn’t a work of godlike genius. ‘Oh yeah? You don’t like trans jokes? Fuck you, here’s some trans jokes’ It doesn’t matter to them if they are funny anymore, they are just doing it out of spite. And Netflix validates this delusion by giving them 20m a shot.
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Post by Honk If You're Horny? on May 24, 2022 17:34:44 GMT
I know people love to highlight how enlightened they are but I can't say I sit there tutting and shaking my head if there's a joke relating to trans people. It's all a bit Mary Whitehouse.
The world has moved on and if comedians don't recognise that they'll fade into obscurity ala Roy Chubby Brown.
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Post by 😎 on May 24, 2022 17:42:04 GMT
I’d have more confidence in that sentiment if they weren’t being paid millions by the biggest content provider in the world.
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Post by Honk If You're Horny? on May 24, 2022 17:47:24 GMT
Paid millions because it gets millions of views. It's the nature of on demand.
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Post by Aunt Alison on May 24, 2022 17:48:23 GMT
Seems the world hasn't really moved on that far then
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Post by Honk If You're Horny? on May 24, 2022 17:55:27 GMT
It has.
Stand up comedy from 10 or 20 years ago wouldn't be screened today.
These things happen organically, it's just not fast or extreme enough to satisfy a small but vocal puritanism movement.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on May 24, 2022 18:04:53 GMT
I know people love to highlight how enlightened they are but I can't say I sit there tutting and shaking my head if there's a joke relating to trans people. It's all a bit Mary Whitehouse. The thing is, that might have been true a few years ago when people first complained but now it’s just kind of pathetic bullying.
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Post by 😎 on May 24, 2022 18:08:10 GMT
It’s not like this is a topic that showed up overnight though, it’s been rattling on for a good few years, and the idea of “guys progress takes time” is about as convincing as the relaunch of Continue Play at this point.
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Post by Honk If You're Horny? on May 24, 2022 18:16:07 GMT
If you look at something like Little Britain which had massive viewer numbers and somewhat of a UK phenomenon, that was blatantly offensive. Fat suits, black face etc. That was only 2007(ish)
Clearly audiences tastes change and evolve.
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Post by 😎 on May 24, 2022 18:21:03 GMT
Yeah, and the argument is that tastes should have evolved to a point now where major public figures don’t get to cash in a fat cheque for standing on a stage and going “REAL WOMEN HAVE WOMBS 😏”
Going “oh well they’ll be irrelevant in 10 years probably” doesn’t feel like a good solution.
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Post by Honk If You're Horny? on May 24, 2022 18:29:36 GMT
If a comedians political or personal views are abhorrent or don't align with the current narrative there are consequences.
The degree of those consequences directly relate to the material.
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Post by Aunt Alison on May 24, 2022 18:31:14 GMT
I don't care if they've got wombs, a beard or a pair of testicles. As long as they know their way around some pots and pans and can run a hoover over a carpet, that's good enough for me
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Post by 😎 on May 24, 2022 18:31:29 GMT
Well they’ve already greenlit another stand up from Gervais so let’s agree to disagree there.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2022 18:32:14 GMT
I don't care if they've got wombs, a beard or a pair of testicles. As long as they know their way around some pots and pans and can run a hoover over a carpet, that's good enough for me This is the most tasteless, out of touch post I've read today. At least buy them a Dyson.
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Post by Aunt Alison on May 24, 2022 18:35:51 GMT
I'm just getting ready for my Netflix special
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Post by Honk If You're Horny? on May 24, 2022 18:41:27 GMT
I guess my preference is to let comedy and what's acceptable move forward organically rather than dictate what's acceptable according to the political or social opinion of 2022.
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Post by 😎 on May 24, 2022 18:45:08 GMT
I don’t want to harp on about it but I think that’s a particularly naive take on it given most of the current issues that gets highlighted are specific pushbacks and responses to progress that has already occurred rather than just being out of touch and behind the times. Counter-culture works both ways.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2022 18:45:57 GMT
I guess my preference is to let comedy and what's acceptable move forward organically rather than dictate what's acceptable according to the political or social opinion of 2022. I agree with this. I also don't think the Chappelle and Gervais things are the same, because Chappelle was making a larger point about the constant barriers white America puts in front of black people, where Gervais is just going "lol she has a penis" for shock value.
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Post by Honk If You're Horny? on May 24, 2022 18:48:56 GMT
I don’t want to harp on about it but I think that’s a particularly naive take on it given most of the current issues that gets highlighted are specific pushbacks and responses to progress that has already occurred rather than just being out of touch and behind the times. Counter-culture works both ways. I'd argue its naive not to see the danger in having vocal minorities dictate what is right or wrong. Whether those minorities sit on the left or the right.
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Post by 😎 on May 24, 2022 18:53:21 GMT
I know it’s not the context you were making that in, but the entire point of the civil rights movement gets wiped out with that take.
But even then, I think there’s a gigantic gulf between “stop dictating what comedians get to say” and “lots of people have issues with what this comedian is saying, here’s a $30 million contract for him”
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Post by Honk If You're Horny? on May 24, 2022 18:59:57 GMT
The money is irrelevant.
Having different opinions and voices is at the heart of philosophy and humanity. Specifying what can or cannot be said is a slippery slope.
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Post by Danno on May 24, 2022 19:06:43 GMT
It is all very 'dont make me tap the James Acaster sign' As is this page of the thread.
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Post by cubby on May 24, 2022 19:22:52 GMT
Progress has never been a straight trajectory, there's always been pushback to any kind of progress. It's kinda where the term conservatism sprung from, no? It's an eternal factor that we'll never be rid of.
The Internet has turbo charged both sides by making them super connected and entrenched in their beliefs. Even niche beliefs can generally find a profitable audience now that previous entertainment models wouldn't allow, so we get these new situations where abhorrent people espousing extreme views make a living.
And now comedians can pivot to nicher audiences and still remain pretty big, because those audiences have become more connected and can more easily seek out content that affirms their beliefs.
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Post by 😎 on May 24, 2022 19:23:16 GMT
The money isn’t irrelevant. He’s being rewarded for having those opinions. Whether you subscribe to the equity vs equality viewpoint or not, that’s some bullshit. By your own reasoning, you should be pretty pissed off that a small segment of the population get to say what they want due to the money and platform they have, and “oh well society isn’t there yet, let’s wait another decade” is also some bullshit.
This all isn’t even taking into account that year upon year we’re breaking records for violence and fatalities for trans people, and that we’re seeing a significant anti-trans push from surging right wing politics that are bolstered and validated by said bullshit. This all goes well above and beyond Gervais making jokes about trans raping people in the wrong bathroom.
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Post by Honk If You're Horny? on May 24, 2022 19:28:54 GMT
So if he made the same jokes but only got paid £3000 instead of £3m it would be better?
That suggests an element of envy or schadenfreude with rich celebs getting punished.
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Post by anephric on May 24, 2022 19:28:57 GMT
Gervais is such a massive fucking turd. On one hand, he's lecturing anyone that will listen about how awful a species we are, how we treat animals disgustingly and he's PETA's poster boy (a dubious organisation at best), and then he's using his comedy to demean an incredibly vulnerable part of society.
I mean, Ricky, at least be fucking consistent. Either humanity aspires to be better or not.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 24, 2022 19:37:31 GMT
Can we all agree that objectively Gervais stopped being funny a long time ago and has now fulfilled that prophecy of all big comedians who become the very thing they initially used to mock and are the living embodiment of the Principal Skinner meme from the Simpsons? I saw the joke it's terrible, not particularly from the trans baiting but just how fucking lazy it is. I guess that's why Netflix paid him the money it did because outrage. Cunt.
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