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Post by simple on Oct 27, 2021 20:30:45 GMT
Its the lack of introspection that gets me, like he’s been so on it about race in the past but he doesn’t appear to have thought “maybe other minorities have a bad time too”
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 27, 2021 20:36:02 GMT
That's exactly what it is, it's almost like he's angry that other minorities are trying to compete for being oppressed as black people, but lacking the complete self awareness that trans people of colour are an extremely at risk group but fuck them because I'm a prophet of our times or some bullshit.
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Post by anephric on Oct 27, 2021 20:45:03 GMT
Well, blah blah blah live long enough to become the villain.
He seems to have become Jim Davidson, except without having to do panto.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 27, 2021 21:11:16 GMT
Well, blah blah blah live long enough to become the villain. He seems to have become Jim Davidson, except without having to do panto. Pretty much |
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Post by puddleduck on Oct 27, 2021 22:25:25 GMT
Well, blah blah blah live long enough to become the villain. He seems to have become Jim Davidson, except without having to do panto. He's behind the times!! Oh no he isn't! Etc... |
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Post by cubby on Oct 27, 2021 22:27:45 GMT
Did anyone watch that programme with the guy from diversity trying to interview Jim Davidson about why he is a big fat racist? Spoilers: it was futile.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 23:04:29 GMT
Well, blah blah blah live long enough to become the villain. He seems to have become Jim Davidson, except without having to do panto. He's behind the times!! Oh no he isn't! Etc... The money is very good. |
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Post by anephric on Oct 27, 2021 23:37:57 GMT
Yeah, it's mental. Go on stage, ramble some random reactionary shit for an hour, tell exactly one and half jokes, $20 million please.
The audience is obviously there. It's the people paying $200 for a seat at his recent shows when you could get pretty much the same thing buying a pint for Gary down the local and asking him what he thinks of all this trans stuff.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 28, 2021 0:11:57 GMT
The weird thing is that he didn't *have* to talk about it. Sure he's free to say whatever he wants, but he has (and tbf lots of people have) this strange compulsion to double down on what are basically stupid Twitter arguments.
Yeah some people are mad at you, maybe unreasonably so, out of proportion to the things you actually said. But you could just elect to let people forget about it, or at the very least not kick the hornets nest even more than you already have. Just let it go and find new material.
It might be alright if the material was funny; I think almost any subject has the potential to be funny. But in this case it's not, it's just hacky.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Oct 28, 2021 6:43:13 GMT
Some of the stuff he did over lockdown (I think is only on the Netflix YouTube channel) was a bit of a warning.
He did 20 minutes on still being annoyed that Comedy Central dicked him on the chapelle show and, ironically, how Netflix were great because when they bought the rights to it he said ‘hey Netflix, that content makes me sad. Please stop showing it’ and they did.
I mean, the guy is funny, maybe one of the GOATS but he is now solidly just another famous asshole and not some kind of soothsayer
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Post by mothercruncher on Oct 28, 2021 8:49:55 GMT
Guys, he never reached the heights of a McIntyre or a Dennis, let it go.
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Post by JYM60 on Oct 28, 2021 8:55:16 GMT
I don't know, Chappelle has enough of a following and it seems to have gone to his head. I wonder how many of that following are the same people he used to have such profound problems with. He has a large following but it's important to note that many people who are younger only have his Netflix specials as their primary source for his material compared to how he was introduced to me during university in the early 2000s. And those Netflix specials do not portray him in a good light. I am fine with a joke about trans, or males, females, blacks, whites, etc. Anybody basically. Not sure if that is bad and I need to get more woke. But I watched the Chappelle stuff and it is just pure garbage, like absolute bottom feeder 'comedy'. Not funny in the slightest. Awful stuff. |
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Post by anephric on Oct 28, 2021 9:13:14 GMT
As already mentioned, I don't know why he's made this his huge issue. Other than his half-baked notion that trans people are somehow mostly privileged white people stealing the minority struggle thunder from black people, he's got fuck all to do with it. He's like a much richer Glinner. Just fuck off.
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Post by lexw on Oct 28, 2021 10:31:03 GMT
Did anyone watch that programme with the guy from diversity trying to interview Jim Davidson about why he is a big fat racist? Spoilers: it was futile. I still feel bad that I once had a golden opportunity to punch Jim Davidson in the face and didn't take it. In 1998 I was in Manchester, walking down the big street the universities are on (but way further down), was walking past on of the theatres at like 3pm (I think - it was bright whenever it was) and Davidson is standing alone out front smoking. There's literally no-one around for like a hundred yards but me and him. I genuinely thought "That's fucking Jim Davidson that fucking racist prick" (his face was on the posters he was standing by too so I was very sure) then "Maybe you should thump him and run for it, you're a lot bigger than him and there's no-one around!". But I'd never hit anyone as an adult (and still haven't), and it didn't seem quite worth it. I must have been looking at him quite darkly because he looked at me, scowled himself and backed into the entrance a bit. Pretty sad that 20+ years later he's still a giant racist wanker, given he was enough of one that I was thinking that back then. |
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Post by dogbot on Oct 28, 2021 10:33:58 GMT
Oxford Road, will be the street you're thinking of.
And yes, you should have punched him, but l'espirit d'escalier, huh?
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 28, 2021 10:39:54 GMT
I am fine with a joke about trans, or males, females, blacks, whites, etc. Anybody basically. Not sure if that is bad and I need to get more woke. But I watched the Chappelle stuff and it is just pure garbage, like absolute bottom feeder 'comedy'. Not funny in the slightest. Awful stuff. I just find comedy a bit crap when it's based around attacking those in a disadvantaged position. Some people struggle with the concept of punching down vs. punching up, even though it's a very simple concept. Or to put it more eloquently, as Pterry said "Satire is meant to ridicule power. If you are laughing at people who are hurting, it's not satire, it's bullying." |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 28, 2021 11:32:10 GMT
As already mentioned, I don't know why he's made this his huge issue. Other than his half-baked notion that trans people are somehow mostly privileged white people stealing the minority struggle thunder from black people, he's got fuck all to do with it. He's like a much richer Glinner. Just fuck off. Yeah that's something I can't get my head around, that in his mind there's not enough room for other minorities to have a voice to say they're being oppressed while in the same breath oppressing a minority for a cheap laugh. It's cognitive dissonance gone amok. Again he's, probably intentionally, missed the glaring point that black trans people are at considerable risk of violence against them. |
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Post by Duffking on Oct 28, 2021 11:53:04 GMT
Chappelle comes across like he heard the term "cancelled" a few days ago and decided to just start punching down and claim he's been cancelled to make some money. Just comes across like a huge grift to me. Always makes me laugh when someone whose every word is reported in the news and gets to do huge interviews with major media publications is like "HELP ME I AM BEING SILENCED". There's a lot of people who are desperate to be criticised for something so they can play that game.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 28, 2021 11:56:54 GMT
I think pretty much the legit example of being "cancelled" I can recall is Colin Kaepernick, as he was effectively, and very quickly, shut out of the sport he played.
But that didn't count as cancelling as he was progressive.
Pretty much as soon as somebody cries about being cancelled you know they're full of shit.
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Post by cubby on Oct 28, 2021 12:06:33 GMT
Chappelle comes across like he heard the term "cancelled" a few days ago and decided to just start punching down and claim he's been cancelled to make some money. Just comes across like a huge grift to me. Always makes me laugh when someone whose every word is reported in the news and gets to do huge interviews with major media publications is like "HELP ME I AM BEING SILENCED". There's a lot of people who are desperate to be criticised for something so they can play that game. Yes, that's exactly it, it's grifting. So many people claim they're being cancelled and *every* time they make shit loads of money out of it. |
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Oct 28, 2021 13:45:22 GMT
I don't see any great issue with that, why capitulate to the angry mob? His comedy has made jokes about race, religion, and sexuality for decades. Trans (Like Hansel) is so hot right now though that anything which doesn't follow the rigid doctrine is lambasted. He's happy to meet with people and discuss the topic but I wouldn't be summoned to a lecture like a naughty child either. Ultimately if his comedy is now so awful, so offensive and trite then he will fade into obscurity and everyone can breathe a sigh of relief. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 28, 2021 13:48:50 GMT
I just keep thinking about that James Acaster clip.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 28, 2021 13:59:44 GMT
I just keep thinking about that James Acaster clip. Ha, the one about "too challenging for ya!"? |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 28, 2021 14:01:21 GMT
I just keep thinking about that James Acaster clip. Ha, the one about "too challenging for ya!"? That's the one |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Oct 28, 2021 14:22:27 GMT
It's fucking brilliant because it absolutely encapsulates the bullshit of it all.
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Post by Danno on Oct 28, 2021 15:07:56 GMT
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Post by simple on Oct 28, 2021 17:31:23 GMT
Maybe I’ve misinterpreted it but Chapelle’s response feels very “fine but I’m not changing my mind” like he’s set out himself in the Gervais school of being controversial and he’s not budging.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Oct 28, 2021 18:06:31 GMT
The first joke is about cumming in a priests face when he was a child. If people are determined to be outraged there's plenty there for religous people, women, white people, black people, gay, straight and transexual.
Is the material about trans people particularly cruel or viscous? No, It's in line with the other subjects.
He refers to his early shows where it was just blatant offensive slurs and you can see the change from then to now.
That's true of a lot of stand up comedy of the time though. Murphy, Prior, Carlin, Hicks etc. The homophobic and transphobic material is blatantly offensive.
Can people find offense in his routine? Yes is that the goal? No.
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Post by 😎 on Oct 28, 2021 18:22:27 GMT
But as someone above said, it’s not the material necessarily, it’s punching up vs punching down.
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Post by Lukus on Oct 28, 2021 18:23:22 GMT
I think the thing people like Chapelle and Gervais object to is being told what they can and can't joke about and the notion that because someone is offended or finds something offensive then you should stop doing it. Which is obviously a solution that lacks any nuance or grace whatsoever.
I basically agree with the idea that you should be able to make jokes and comedy about any subject. However it's the skill with which the joke is delivered, and the insight and context and self awareness that the joke is packaged up in, that makes the difference between something well meaning and funny, and something ignorant, basic and outdated.
I've still not watched the Chapelle thing, so I've no idea which side his falls on. But I also know people love to get angry about things they've not even seen (and this has been the case for decades, The Life of Brian as the obvious example), with Twitter mainly being an exercise in expressing outrage and disapproval for irritating twats from every side of the spectrum.
*shrugs*
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