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Post by damagedinc on Aug 21, 2023 10:28:45 GMT
Letby has refused to attend court for her sentencing, as predicted. I wish there was some way she could be forced to hear the victim impact statements, that must be truly heart rending after the atrocious crimes she’s been convicted of She’ll have a massive target on her in prison and I wonder how long she will last. Hope her every day is living hell to be honest. This always comes up when big trials have defendants not appear. The reality is if someone was forced to be in the box they would likely then cause a "circus" which would mean they just get taken away anyway. Imagine forcing her to the Dock and she starts abusing the judge/victims, disrupts the readings of those statements etc. I don't think it's possible really, in terms of the statements the families have prepared, they get served on defence and will most likely have been read to letby by her lawyers prior to sentencing. I personally think a good middle ground would be a live link to the cell, via video and sound. If they then kick off in the cell the audio can be muted but the court feed still goes through to the cell. |
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Post by damagedinc on Aug 21, 2023 10:33:43 GMT
This explains it much better than me.....
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Post by minimatt on Aug 21, 2023 10:44:34 GMT
Not quite sure where this recent outrage of prisoners refusing to attend sentencing has come from, or what fixing it really serves? On a practical level, forcing someone who doesn't want to comply, and who has nothing left to lose, to attend would risk far more harm to victims' families - a rabid prisoner shouting obscenities during victim impact assessments isn't going to bring any catharsis.
Secondly, at that stage the culprit is no longer important - they deserve to be forgotten. Memory of, and some tiny degree of closure for, the victims is all that matters. Doing that in a dignified manner is more important than risking a bunch of prison officer's safety to forcibly remove someone from a cell and transfer them to court.
And on prison experience I lean sandal wearing lefty. Revenge fantasies aren't going to bring back dead babies. A cruel and fearful prison regime isn't going to have any deterrent effect - it's not fear of the prison regime that ordinarily stops people killing babies. Keep her locked away for ever, safe, but forgotten. Remember the victims.
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Post by Ulythium on Aug 21, 2023 10:59:22 GMT
I wouldn't object too strongly if, by sheer happenstance, a hard-of-hearing employee at Manchester Crown Court were to watch the proceedings on a TV set in the holding area, with the volume blaring and in earshot of Letby's cell...
... But otherwise, I'm with Matt.
This is just another act of abject cowardice on Letby's part, so let her get on with it - don't drag her into the courtroom and allow her presence to become a sideshow, and an opportunity to make this all about her.
Let the victim impact statements be heard, along with the sentencing remarks, and put those front and centre; then put Letby out of sight and out of mind, while a full-fledged inquiry takes place into why her rampage wasn't stopped sooner, despite the evidence that was stacking up.
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Post by damagedinc on Aug 21, 2023 11:25:38 GMT
I can understand why it causes emotion, in theory having a silent prisoner listening to the punishment and effects their actions have caused would be ideal.
However in reality these people are the worst of the worst and as above its about giving the victims a voice and rest knowing that letby will have to consider those words till the day she dies.
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Post by Mark1412 on Aug 21, 2023 12:04:22 GMT
Easy, for some maybe, to say it serves no purpose from afar, but if you've gone through the hell that these parents have, if getting to watch her given her punishment brings them any comfort or closure at all, it should be considered.
These remarks are the worst thing I think I've ever read. No punishment will be enough.
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Post by Mark1412 on Aug 21, 2023 12:04:39 GMT
Obviously logistically is another matter...
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Post by Ulythium on Aug 21, 2023 12:07:07 GMT
Letby has been sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole.
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Aug 21, 2023 12:12:20 GMT
Letby has been sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole. Where do you get that from? |
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Post by Mark1412 on Aug 21, 2023 12:12:57 GMT
Just announced. Whole life order.
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Post by Ulythium on Aug 21, 2023 12:15:03 GMT
Where do you get that from?
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Post by cubby on Aug 21, 2023 12:15:40 GMT
Yeah people get it into their heads that those forced to attend their sentencing will somehow be meek and remorseful, so that they will be a perfect audience for the victims and their families. It's just idealised fantasy of justice.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Aug 21, 2023 12:23:57 GMT
I daresay some criminals will be remorseful, but in those cases the defendant (is that the correct term? If they've been found guilty they wouldn't be defendants any longer?) would possibly attend anyway.
In cases like this where the murderer is clearly lacking empathy it's hard to imagine the murderer showing much contrition, and could well be disruptive or even goading.
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Post by loto on Aug 21, 2023 12:25:13 GMT
It’s got fuck all to do with meek and remorseful and I couldn’t care less about the sentencing part
I would want her to listen to the victim impact statements and begin her life sentence with those words ringing in her ears
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Post by cubby on Aug 21, 2023 12:30:05 GMT
Yeah that's exactly what I was describing, it's a fantasy you're indulging in. She's not going to listen.
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Post by damagedinc on Aug 21, 2023 12:35:15 GMT
Its almost a certainty that her defence would have read the statements prior to court. They are served in advance and she would have listened to them with a chance to offer a mitigating factor response.
She already knows what's been said.
As above any attempt to make someone attend would result in a circus and cause more harm then good.
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Post by Ulythium on Aug 21, 2023 12:50:03 GMT
The judge ordered that Letby be given copies of the sentencing remarks and the victim impact statements.
The problem, of course, is that you can no more force her to read them than listen to them.
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Post by loto on Aug 21, 2023 12:53:34 GMT
Jog on Cubby
The only justice fantasy I’ve got is iso-cubes 🙏
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Post by erniewhatbert on Aug 21, 2023 13:34:02 GMT
Those poor babies and their families.
I am a very trusting person when it comes to health and care settings, but this case makes me think twice.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 21, 2023 16:19:06 GMT
Those poor babies and their families. I am a very trusting person when it comes to health and care settings, but this case makes me think twice. You should still be trusting, don't let this evil overshadow the good work that a lot of health professionals do. |
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Post by Syrette on Aug 21, 2023 17:21:10 GMT
I am a very trusting person when it comes to health and care settings, but this case makes me think twice.Why? |
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Post by erniewhatbert on Aug 21, 2023 19:28:02 GMT
Hopefully there will never be another like her, but you never know where the next one is going to come from.
I never got to see my newborn for three days after birth, which happened at the start of the first Covid lockdown. I knew at the time that he was in the best place, which was reassuring in its own way at a time of worry. I have so much respect for health professionals generally. If that happened again post-Letby, however, I am sure I wouldn’t have accepted the situation so well.
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Post by X201 on Aug 21, 2023 19:52:58 GMT
Hopefully there will never be another like her… There always will be. Much the same was said after the Beverley Allitt case. Also, in the 10 months that this trial has been running, around 40 children will have died from abuse or neglect. That never gets the pages and pages of coverage that it deserves. |
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Aug 21, 2023 22:34:18 GMT
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Post by Danno on Aug 21, 2023 22:51:21 GMT
Fuck yeah, I'm in. I'm turning up with bottles of water at 5 quid and actual food. At much more. Also security. And big earplugs. |
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Post by lukasz on Aug 22, 2023 1:19:23 GMT
Lol. The price structure just screams of we are a scam. |
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 22, 2023 6:16:01 GMT
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Post by X201 on Aug 22, 2023 6:24:34 GMT
You’re falling into tabloid fantasy language.
It’s not evil.
That’s just a word that’s used to label stuff when they don’t want to address the truth.
Britain’s metal health provision is totally crap. But that headline doesn’t sell papers or gather clicks.
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Post by geefe on Aug 22, 2023 6:41:47 GMT
"evil" avoids the fact plenty of opportunities exist to prevent this. Makes it easier to pretend nothing can be done.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 22, 2023 7:06:32 GMT
The common thread to the story seems to be smoking. It needs to stop so things like this don't happen
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