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Post by Bill in the rain on Aug 21, 2023 1:34:46 GMT
Even without everything else, it did look like a horribly generic origin story from the trailers.
My youngest wants to watch it, but it doesn't even appear to have a release date here. Which isn't a good sign.
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Aug 21, 2023 6:39:13 GMT
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 21, 2023 6:39:13 GMT
It’s insane anyone was going to spend $70m on this to go straight to streaming in the first place.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Aug 21, 2023 7:19:29 GMT
It’s insane anyone was going to spend $70m on this to go straight to streaming in the first place. I mean, Stranger Things costs $30m an episode. Which is insane to me, but it's not unheard of.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Aug 21, 2023 7:49:24 GMT
Yeah, but some of the later episodes of Stranger Things were about 4 hours long, so that's kind of a bargain.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Aug 21, 2023 8:16:40 GMT
At this stage, its kind of pointless to speculate about budgets of anything. Secret Invasion reportedly cost north of 200m and unless they paid SLJ 199 of that, you cant see any of it on screen.
I guess it really is easier to steal £1m from something that costs £100m.
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Aug 21, 2023 8:59:23 GMT
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Post by britesparc on Aug 21, 2023 8:59:23 GMT
Wasn't part of Secret Invasion's budget due to COVID stuff, like Indy and Mission? Plus all the de-aging tech.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 21, 2023 9:10:53 GMT
Yeah, believe so. Still a pos though.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Aug 21, 2023 9:11:21 GMT
I dunno. I know they reshot a ton of it because it originally somehow sucked even harder, which pushed the budget up to $1m a minute on some episodes.
Incredibly, Citadel cost even more but at least that has a few action scenes.
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Post by hicksy on Aug 21, 2023 9:11:30 GMT
DC movies are unfortunately still the poor man’s Marvel films mostly. That said recent Marvel films have also been ropey… they all just need to back off on the quantity and focus on delivering quality!
DC for me also need to find a way of calming down their effects so that they are less like watching a computer game. Why does everything need to be so frantic all the time?
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Aug 21, 2023 9:22:57 GMT
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 21, 2023 9:22:57 GMT
Although budget guessing is difficult, SI being anywhere near that and something like Foundation being less than $50m does suggest something is going wrong on the production side in some of these shows.
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Post by britesparc on Aug 21, 2023 9:42:00 GMT
I think for streaming stuff you probably get inflated budgets because stars want paying up-front rather than taking a cut of the back-end, because there is no back-end. So Jackson probably accounts for at least $10m of that $200m, and then you've got Emilia Clarke and Don Cheadle and everyone else hoovering up cash.
Killers of the Flower Moon somehow cost Apple $200m to make what is essentially an interior drama, but I read that a full quarter of that budget went to DiCaprio, DeNiro, and Scorsese.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Aug 21, 2023 9:56:45 GMT
When I watch the credits some of the DC and Marvel films the Visual Effects and CGI teams are massive, 300 plus people. I assume they bring in these various studios via some sort of procurement or bidding system.
But I assume if your studio or team has worked on say Avatar or Infinity War previously you charge top dollar and your bid gets the greenlight from investors or studio execs over teams who could do better work at a far more reasonable price. No doubt there's all sorts of penalty clauses for re-shoots and edits.
TLDR the leakage of money on DC/Marvel films must be insane.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Aug 21, 2023 10:04:26 GMT
DC movies are unfortunately still the poor man’s Marvel films mostly. That said recent Marvel films have also been ropey… they all just need to back off on the quantity and focus on delivering quality! Disney specifically are in the awkward position that if they back off production there is no new content to keep people subbed to D+ but becoming a content farm means the quality has dropped to the point that people are stopping subbing to D+
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Post by britesparc on Aug 21, 2023 10:23:26 GMT
When I watch the credits some of the DC and Marvel films the Visual Effects and CGI teams are massive, 300 plus people. I assume they bring in these various studios via some sort of procurement or bidding system. But I assume if your studio or team has worked on say Avatar or Infinity War previously you charge top dollar and your bid gets the greenlight from investors or studio execs over teams who could do better work at a far more reasonable price. No doubt there's all sorts of penalty clauses for re-shoots and edits. TLDR the leakage of money on DC/Marvel films must be insane. Almost every "blockbuster"-level movie will have some kind of digital effect in just about every shot - background replacement, wire removal, scrubbing out advertising billboards, changing the colour of the sky, etc (or in Top Gun's case, removing the real pilots from everyone's jet apart from Tom's). And they farm these out to loads of different companies. And, sadly, these productions are often dictated by a release date publicised before they had a script or director, so time is of the essence. So in this whole process, yeah, I can imagine all sorts of wastage and not-best-practice costs occurring, even if you're doing your best to be frugal and sensible and everyone involved is a professional.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Aug 21, 2023 10:33:47 GMT
And yet those digital effects workers are apparently massively overworked and underpaid.
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Post by britesparc on Aug 21, 2023 11:03:54 GMT
Well, yeah, coz they already announced the film's coming out on December 17th and it's got 1500 effects shots and they only finished shooting yesterday! Chop chop, nerds, get rendering!
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Post by Whizzo on Aug 21, 2023 13:02:11 GMT
Secret Invasion had 4 months of reshoots (that worked out well) that's why it cost $211M which is accurate as they had to declare it to HMG for tax credit reasons.
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Aug 21, 2023 14:46:20 GMT
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 21, 2023 14:46:20 GMT
It’s amazing it took them 4 months to shoot the whole thing at all.
I know Hollywood use to complain about the accountants and money men but maybe there was some good there after all .
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 21, 2023 14:50:13 GMT
It’s amazing it took them 4 months to shoot the whole thing at all. I know Hollywood use to complain about the accountants and money men but maybe there was some good there after all . That 4 months was for reshoots. We don't know how much they reshot.
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Aug 21, 2023 15:16:32 GMT
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Post by Reviewer on Aug 21, 2023 15:16:32 GMT
I know, it looked so rubbish I’m amazed it even took that long let alone the original filming time.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 21, 2023 15:38:02 GMT
I am impressed with how boring it was. Quite the achievement.
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 21, 2023 19:13:42 GMT
Someone got paid for suddenly deciding Rhodes was a Skrull As for DC they just need to get Aquaman 2 out the way. Go quiet for a bit then absolutely nail that first Superman trailer. Diehard Snyder fans might have chilled a bit by then.
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Post by Whizzo on Aug 21, 2023 19:26:00 GMT
Diehard Snyder fans might have chilled a bit by then. Good luck with that.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 21, 2023 19:28:54 GMT
I know right. The Snydercut subreddit is run by some truly petty fucking people.
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Post by Whizzo on Aug 21, 2023 19:31:21 GMT
They've got a teaser for his latest badly shot (he's cinematographer again) movie to see tomorrow so that'll keep them quiet for a bit.
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Aug 21, 2023 20:28:18 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 21, 2023 20:28:18 GMT
Oh, he's own take on Star Wars for Netflix. Rebel Moon or some shite.
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 22, 2023 5:58:42 GMT
Diehard Snyder fans might have chilled a bit by then. Good luck with that. True. Some did attack him for tweeting support for BB.
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Post by britesparc on Aug 22, 2023 8:49:37 GMT
Someone got paid for suddenly deciding Rhodes was a Skrull As for DC they just need to get Aquaman 2 out the way. Go quiet for a bit then absolutely nail that first Superman trailer. Diehard Snyder fans might have chilled a bit by then. Word round the campfire is that Aquaman is likely to be pushed back to next year if the strike is still threatening. They figure they need Momoa on promo duty. Also I imagine that Skrull thing will never be mentioned again...
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 22, 2023 8:50:57 GMT
Just like that massive calcified Celestial just poking out of the sea...
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Post by britesparc on Aug 22, 2023 9:50:01 GMT
So many of the D+ shows seem to have no tail, which I guess is fine (nice to have a corner of the universe you can enjoy for its own merits rather than how it ties into an overall arc) but then you get things like Wanda in Doctor Strange, or Ms Marvel showing up in The Marvels, and I wonder how these elements will play for people who haven't watched everything religiously like I do.
I imagine it's fine; probably if you don't care enough to watch everything you don't care about backstory and are just happy with one line of throwaway exposition.
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