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Post by muddyfunster on Jun 6, 2023 8:56:20 GMT
Is there a point at which Prem Rugby / RFU just acknowledges that major structural change is required, and if so, how close are we and what would you want them to do?
I don't really follow club rugby any more, but am interested to hear thoughts from those that do. From the outside it just seems like this can't possibly go on and we must be close to a tipping point.
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Post by Danno on Jun 6, 2023 9:11:54 GMT
There's an overhaul planned for 2024/25 but who knows what form that will take
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 6, 2023 16:47:56 GMT
Apparently Irish missed their 16:00 deadline, and their suspension from the Premiership will be announced at 19:00.
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Post by Danno on Jun 6, 2023 16:53:19 GMT
Welp.
Arundell to Quins pls.
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 6, 2023 17:08:13 GMT
I'll second that, although Bath are rumoured to be interested in him.
Hopefully Quins won't be tempted to sign Top Shagger as a replacement for Smith, should those whispers prove to be true.
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Post by Danno on Jun 6, 2023 17:24:30 GMT
Yeah no fucking thank you.
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Post by zephro on Jun 6, 2023 17:26:01 GMT
Kyle Rowe and Ben White to Glasgow please.
And Jackson back in the bin.
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Post by grey_matters on Jun 6, 2023 18:37:06 GMT
Are there any cap-based national eligibility rules that prevent young English players going to France? (E.g. you can't play abroad until you've 30 caps or some such)
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Post by elstoof on Jun 6, 2023 18:40:20 GMT
You cant ply for england if you don’t play in the English league generally, RFU has a deal with the premiership to release squad players when required which they don’t have with any other league. There’s special dispensation made for players of folded teams up until the World Cup but beyond that they’ll be ineligible
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Post by grey_matters on Jun 6, 2023 18:48:03 GMT
You cant ply for england if you don’t play in the English league generally, RFU has a deal with the premiership to release squad players when required which they don’t have with any other league. There’s special dispensation made for players of folded teams up until the World Cup but beyond that they’ll be ineligible So if Arundell, say, went to La Rochelle this summer he could still win the World Cup with England this year, win the Top14 and the three-in-a-row European Cup with LR next year, would miss the 6 nations, but on return to England the following year normal service is resumed? I appreciate the above may be somewhat fanciful in the detail but that's how it would work? |
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Post by elstoof on Jun 6, 2023 18:50:53 GMT
Hypothetically
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Post by zephro on Jun 6, 2023 19:46:10 GMT
I suspect soon enough only France, Ireland and New Zealand will bother with the home residency rules.
Wales will definitely drop theirs as well.
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 6, 2023 21:22:22 GMT
A sad day for London Irish, and for the Premiership in general.
Three top-flight English clubs gone within the space of a single season - Wasps were the biggest name, but (and I say this as an erstwhile Wasps fan) Warriors and Irish are every bit as big a loss to the domestic game, if not more so.
Both great clubs, with history and supporters to match.
This entire situation sucks.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 6, 2023 22:07:07 GMT
What are the league's plans? It's clear it's horribly broken. And so wrong. So much history gone. Hopefully the clubs can be reborn as amateurs.
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Post by zephro on Jun 7, 2023 7:03:14 GMT
They don't seem to be actually dropping top line salaries though. If Finn's salary at Bath is anywhere near the rumours.
I think they'll end up chopping a lot of mid rankers. club stalwarts, lads with a few international caps in the past, injury prone genius players etc. Anyone on above average salary that's not your stars will get replaced with cheaper 21 year olds.
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 12, 2023 9:16:11 GMT
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Post by Danno on Jun 12, 2023 11:34:55 GMT
4 looseheads, 1 lock, 3 SHs two of which won't make the tournament, 1 FH.
Seems a bit pointless to me.
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 12, 2023 12:11:09 GMT
Much as I doubt it'll happen, I'd love to see Care make the RWC squad.
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Post by elstoof on Jun 12, 2023 15:08:38 GMT
Borthwicks camp will be a full week of nothing but lineout drills, you need a load of props to rotate lifting the locks
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Post by Danno on Jun 12, 2023 16:17:03 GMT
Borthwicks camp will be a full week of nothing but lineout drills, you need a load of props to rotate lifting the locks Lock. There's literally one! (And tbh if Ewels never earns another cap I won't be unhappy about it) |
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Post by zephro on Jun 12, 2023 21:41:39 GMT
4 looseheads, 1 lock, 3 SHs two of which won't make the tournament, 1 FH. Seems a bit pointless to me. Yeah but you just have to beat Argentina and Japan to get out of the group. You could play 15 clones of Dan Cole and still be basically fine. On another note. Every Wales announcement basically has me going "I am sustained by your suffering" vampire style. |
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Post by Danno on Jun 12, 2023 21:47:39 GMT
4 looseheads, 1 lock, 3 SHs two of which won't make the tournament, 1 FH. Seems a bit pointless to me. Yeah but you just have to beat Argentina and Japan to get out of the group. You could play 15 clones of Dan Cole and still be basically fine. On another note. Every Wales announcement basically has me going "I am sustained by your suffering" vampire style. We keep getting beaten by bloody Scotland*. I'm hardly confident that we'll exit the group comfortably. *just messing - but as you should know well enough, underestimate Japan at your peril |
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Post by zephro on Jun 12, 2023 22:07:29 GMT
Yeah but you just have to beat Argentina and Japan to get out of the group. You could play 15 clones of Dan Cole and still be basically fine. On another note. Every Wales announcement basically has me going "I am sustained by your suffering" vampire style. We keep getting beaten by bloody Scotland*. I'm hardly confident that we'll exit the group comfortably. *just messing - but as you should know well enough, underestimate Japan at your peril Fair. From my point of view the one team we've not really worked out how to turnover is Ireland for some reason. So we're fucked. Where are you playing Japan? Not excuses but probably a failure in training. That one time we lost to Japan the humidity seemed so bad the team were bright red 30 minutes in. So South of France Vs North if France could make a massive difference. |
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Post by Dougs on Jun 12, 2023 22:11:26 GMT
Nice, by the looks of it. Hmm.
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Post by Danno on Jun 12, 2023 22:12:50 GMT
Not sure where we're playing them
Their prep time was massive, they were together as a squad for something like 3 months? No other team gets to build like that ahead of a WC. And at least you gave them a game, they straight up pulled Ireland's pants down and sent them back to their mum in tears 😃 Genuinely one of my favourite WC games.
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Post by zephro on Jun 12, 2023 22:22:03 GMT
Oh yeah I get that. I mostly blame this on Scotland training as a) the occasion got the better of them and b) they appeared to not have practised enough in insane humidity like after that typhoon. Plus Japan got so psyched up for that occasion it was almost irresistible.
Otherwise we mostly played Japan in summer or autumn internationals and never did anything than win comfortably (Scotland being shitter have had to do summer tours of Japan + 1 game against Italy in Singapore for no fucking reason), even putting on a load of first cappers.
But also under Toonie. We lost to the USA in Houston Texas during a summer tour, as again 30 minutes in Houston in July and they were FUCKED. Also to Fiji in Fiji under similar circumstances. Invite any of these teams to Murrayfield in the winter and it wouldn't even be a contest.
I'm just sympathetic as it's gone over 30C here in London recently and I'm almost entirely made of sweat now.
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 14, 2023 17:58:51 GMT
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Post by Danno on Jun 14, 2023 18:01:42 GMT
Be nice if we could have snagged someone to improve our defence. O well, still time.
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Post by zephro on Jun 14, 2023 19:37:05 GMT
Just embrace the fuck it we can score more tries than you ethos. May not win but you can just enjoy life and be thankful you're not the relentless misery of Saracens or Leinster. *spit*
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