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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 18, 2021 15:22:44 GMT
H:ZD was yet another game where the open world bullshit soured me on the things I liked about it. Finding billions of herbs and lenses to pick up for the annoying crafting system, randomised loot boxes, fetch quests, timed challenges, lots and lots of collectibles. It just goes on and on.
I don't really know who asks for all this stuff, I don't think anyone actually gets excited about beating a mission to get a box full of random junk. Maybe developers keep it in there because they think the bloat is expected?
Maybe the main story is great. But everything else about it (aside from the pretty environments and dinosaurs) was junky enough that I just couldn't keep going.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 15:28:28 GMT
But it had giant robot Dinosaurs. That made me forgive some of the weaker parts of the game.
And the story was genuinely interesting and good.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 18, 2021 15:29:53 GMT
There should be more games with actual dinosaurs
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Post by Phattso on Sept 18, 2021 15:32:51 GMT
I reckon Ghost of Tsushima was a better example of borrowing a fucktonne of open world gaming tropes, but carving them successfully into its own distinct thing. It still got a little bogged down, I felt, and not all of the elements were particularly good, but I look back on my time with it far more fondly than the 24 hours or whatever it took to drag myself through Horizon.
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Post by damagedinc on Sept 18, 2021 15:43:01 GMT
I quite enjoyed my time with HZD. However I would agree its incredibly formulaic. It all boils down to how much fun your getting from hunting "dinosaurs"
I really got something from that and quite liked the planet of the apes style environment.
I am largely done with open world games though
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 18, 2021 15:49:44 GMT
It's purely the story that's keeping me in it at this point in time. Its been really compelling so far and I'd be a bit bummed out if I couldn't see it to the end. But the gameplay is really grating on me and I'm not even out into the fully open world part yet I don't think. I think Easy mode and skate through to the finish might be the one here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 20:15:53 GMT
It's purely the story that's keeping me in it at this point in time. Its been really compelling so far and I'd be a bit bummed out if I couldn't see it to the end. But the gameplay is really grating on me and I'm not even out into the fully open world part yet I don't think. I think Easy mode and skate through to the finish might be the one here. I bounced off a couple of times. Then when I tried properly it ecame one of my favourite games ever. As in finding every single audio log because I love the story as opposed to the loot cycle. Along with Steins Gate and planescape torment as games I will remember for years and always love the characters and story. |
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Post by Sarfrin on Sept 18, 2021 21:07:02 GMT
I ended up abandoning HZD because because I wanted it to leave me alone to wander a bit more. Does a robot cow really need to try and kill me on sight?
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Post by Frog on Sept 18, 2021 21:12:09 GMT
Art of rally, was looking to use it as a gap filler but it all feels a little sterile. It's not a bad game at all but it's just not what I need at the moment.
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Post by Tomo on Sept 18, 2021 22:31:11 GMT
I abandoned HZD as well. Did a good 15 hours or so on it. Thought the controls were good but the combat got repetitive, despite being quite fun initially. I just ended up diving around a lot spamming arrows. Fighting the other humans was really crap. The NPC hub worlds and characters were fucking dull too. Getting to the absolutely massive city and seeing how lifeless it felt was the final nail for me.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 18, 2021 22:46:05 GMT
I ended up abandoning HZD because because I wanted it to leave me alone to wander a bit more. Does a robot cow really need to try and kill me on sight? This was the feeling I got early on. I'm not a big fan of open world games but when I do play one, I want to wander around and explore without having to fight enemies all the time. The ones I've enjoyed let you wander about at your own pace just enjoying the atmosphere |
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Post by Tomo on Sept 18, 2021 22:53:14 GMT
HZD is also basically the same bits copy-pasted multiple times. Take: a bandit camp, a trials area, a hub area, sprinkle some dino hotspots amongst them. Copy-paste 20 times and you have the full map.
This is why GTAV is _still_ basically the best open world game because the map is so varied and full of interesting, unique regions. It's just a joy to piss about in and explore outside the great characters and story.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 18, 2021 23:02:36 GMT
HZD is also basically the same bits copy-pasted multiple times. Take: a bandit camp, a trials area, a hub area, sprinkle some dino hotspots amongst them. Copy-paste 20 times and you have the full map. This is why GTAV is _still_ basically the best open world game because the map is so varied and full of interesting, unique regions. It's just a joy to piss about in and explore outside the great characters and story. Haven't played GTAV but that's how I felt about RDR2 |
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 18, 2021 23:51:57 GMT
Yeah I have to say, other issues aside I'm already getting fed up of not being able to enjoy the open world because of constant groups of hostile bots everywhere. It really does feel like one of the most shat out open world games I've ever played. Which is quite conflicting because I actually really, really like the world they've created on its own.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 23:58:31 GMT
Art of rally, was looking to use it as a gap filler but it all feels a little sterile. It's not a bad game at all but it's just not what I need at the moment. I initially didn't like AoR but went back to it and really got into it. |
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 19, 2021 0:26:43 GMT
I must say I'm not a fan of GTA 5 at all. Moving cranes and slugging around in some shitty submarine is apparently a part of the main story for whatever reason. Tugging around cars is apparently a side mission--which is cool--but once I finished that, some random guy runs up to my truck, pulls me out, punches me in the face and I'm instantly dead. Oh, tough luck, do that whole car-tugging thing all over again because the game randomly decided that some guy comes at you and kills you with a single blow.
It was moments like those when I wished I was playing Saints Row instead and just blowing up shit with a rocket launcher.
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Post by erekose on Sept 19, 2021 10:25:04 GMT
Don’t know if this counts as ‘abandoned’ as I manage to get the rubbishy/easy ending, but just didn’t feel much motivation to properly engage with Bloodstained and its end game. Not sure why really. On paper it seems to have lots of things I like. Ah well.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 19, 2021 10:57:27 GMT
I reckon Ghost of Tsushima was a better example of borrowing a fucktonne of open world gaming tropes, but carving them successfully into its own distinct thing. It still got a little bogged down, I felt, and not all of the elements were particularly good, but I look back on my time with it far more fondly than the 24 hours or whatever it took to drag myself through Horizon. Yeah, I agree with that summary. For me Tsushima's world is just so beautiful that I just get lost in the gameplay loop even though it's standard open world fare plus it's combat is really satisfying when you absolutely decimate 5 enemies in a row seamlessly without taking a hit and parrying and dodging everything. |
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Sept 19, 2021 11:00:34 GMT
There should be more games with actual dinosaurs Trespasser 2? |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 19, 2021 11:01:56 GMT
Trespasser was so so so bad, even despite it's revolutionary mechanics.
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Post by dfunked on Sept 19, 2021 11:07:57 GMT
Dino Crisis 2 needs a remake. Loved that game!
Dread to think how awful the tank controls in an action game feel now though.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 19, 2021 11:14:06 GMT
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Post by Dave_McCoy on Sept 19, 2021 11:28:46 GMT
Another for Horizon: Zero Dawn being dull. As others said, the world seemed interesting but Aloy was very unlikeable as character. I suppose as an outcast she would be surly but did it half grate after a while. Stunning looking game, very average gameplay
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 19, 2021 13:32:08 GMT
HZD is also basically the same bits copy-pasted multiple times. Take: a bandit camp, a trials area, a hub area, sprinkle some dino hotspots amongst them. Copy-paste 20 times and you have the full map. This is why GTAV is _still_ basically the best open world game because the map is so varied and full of interesting, unique regions. It's just a joy to piss about in and explore outside the great characters and story. Haven't played GTAV but that's how I felt about RDR2 I should have this feeling about RDR2. It did have a lot of the bloat that I hate about the open world genre. But I don't. Just the opposite really, I fucking looooove RDR2. Not sure what the difference is, but the strong characters and narrative probably have something to do with it. There's just ever so much detail and love put into every aspect of the game, it's utterly mind-boggling. It also helps that the map is sparse and not jammed up with a billion icons. Personally I find that that makes the game feel less like a job. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Sept 19, 2021 13:44:39 GMT
Haven't played GTAV but that's how I felt about RDR2 I should have this feeling about RDR2. It did have a lot of the bloat that I hate about the open world genre. But I don't. Just the opposite really, I fucking looooove RDR2. Not sure what the difference is, but the strong characters and narrative probably have something to do with it. There's just ever so much detail and love put into every aspect of the game, it's utterly mind-boggling. It also helps that the map is sparse and not jammed up with a billion icons. Personally I find that that makes the game feel less like a job. Yeah, loved RDR2. Even did a little cry at the end. Just wandering around on your horse is really fun - hardly ever used fast travel or the trains. Characterisation is amazing and there's a few moments that got a sharp intake of breath from me. Walking around camp with all the random chatter going on referencing in game events was also great. I'm assuming from your post that you're still playing so won't say any more because I wouldn't want to spoil anything. I think the first moment that really made me think the game was going to be special was heading into Valentine with the girls singing and helping out the man who was broken down by the road. It just felt so alive and convincing |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 13:52:08 GMT
Stuff like stumbling across a random gunfight or animals fighting in the wild help make the map feel alive and natural in RDR2.
Most openworld games that sort of stuff only happens near the icons.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Sept 19, 2021 13:59:58 GMT
Even though I don't particularly get along with the treacly feel of RDR2, the gameplay feels like it services the world they've made 1:1. Horizon feels like they did all of the work on the world in-house, and outsourced the gameplay to some obscure dev that usually works on mobile ports.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 19, 2021 14:05:45 GMT
It probably also helps that I am way more on board for a Western fantasy than a sci-fi post-apocalyptic one. Even if robot dinos are involved.
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Post by quadfather on Sept 19, 2021 14:09:34 GMT
I must be one of the people that loved horizon zero dawn. Soon as it started, I was hooked on the mystery, and then coming out of the bunker at the start gave me the same thrill as the first time I came out of the dungeon in oblivion.
Then the robot fights and then the override function made combat awesome for me.
Then the cauldrons which I loved.
I even liked the bandit fights where I could practice my headshots.
Then the arrows that blow up monster parts that you can then pick up and use against them.
And the mystery of all the holograms and the past/present feeling all clicked too.
Loved it!
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Sept 19, 2021 14:24:44 GMT
Playing HZD and Tsushima just made me pine for the fun I had with of Shadow of Mordor.
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