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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2021 13:01:09 GMT
I would quite like to see a Series X mini-fridge complemented by a Series S mini-stove. What about a mini-freezer. For Cornettos.
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Post by Dave_McCoy on Oct 17, 2021 18:25:09 GMT
It's so strange that we find interest in Japanese games, yet they don't find the same interest in western games. For me, being of the Mega Drive/SNES era onwards, Japan made the most interesting games in the 'early days'. Probably most of the best games of that era. I still love a JRPG or an over the top hack and slash like Devil May Cry or Bayonetta. Horror games like RE or Silent Hill. I'll gravitate towards a Japan developed game even now. So perhaps it's the same for Japanese consumers. For years they made the best games and so the older gamers stick with Japanese output. Plus, I guess cultural differences means they play more Japanese developed games.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2021 18:43:16 GMT
It's exactly that. Among the younger generation of Japanese players, a fair amount of them enjoy Call of Duty, Minecraft, Destiny, and surprisingly Apex Legends as well. I'm not a big BR guy, but nice knowing they prefer the best one. š
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Post by Frog on Oct 17, 2021 19:38:38 GMT
Warzone is full of Asian players or at least players with Asian characters for names. Loads of them are hacking bastards too.
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Post by britesparc on Oct 17, 2021 21:04:17 GMT
I often feel like an outlier when chatting to other gamers, because I grew up exclusively playing on home computers (Spectrum, C64, Amiga, then PC). Aside from my cousins getting a Mega Drive, I hardly ever played on a console until about 1999, when I was 18. As such I was really set in my ways about certain aspects of game design, so when I did start playing Japanese-developed console games, I found them really finicky and there was so much about their design I found off-putting.
I'm not daft enough to say "I don't like Japanese games", especially as there are many Nintendo games in particular that I adore, but I don't have any nostalgic appreciation whatsoever for any 8- or 16-bit console games. Even today, I think Ocarina of Time is very overrated, and I'd much rather play the likes of Flashback or Prince of Persia to Metroid or Castlevania.
Anyway, this sometimes makes it hard to chip in with videogame discourse, but on the flipside, I get really happy if somebody mentions Lemmings or Dizzy.
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Post by Dave_McCoy on Oct 18, 2021 7:01:49 GMT
I think I'm about the same age as User britesparc as I had a Vic20 then an Amiga which were my main machines for years. I didn't actually get a Mega Drive until about 1994 but I always remember seeing those games, such as Sonic, Gunstar Heroes and Super Mario World, as exotic and exciting. I used to try and play the demo stands in Currys every chance I got.
I loved my Amiga and have many fond memories of it but always remember feeling a bit envious of my console owning friends.
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 18, 2021 7:18:27 GMT
I canāt imagine having to suffer through flashback and Prince of Persia compared to the great 16 bit console platform games of the time. We got flashback and Prince of Persia on console and they were terrible... My mate had an Amiga and it felt outdated in 1990 just based on controller options alone... I went Atari 2600, spectrum, nes, master system, mega drive, SNES, saturn, PlayStation, Dreamcast etc. We also had an Atari st we used for music (Cubase), but even 15 year old me new it was pants for gaming
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Post by britesparc on Oct 18, 2021 8:32:02 GMT
Apart from a very small number of games - Desert Strike, Sonic, maybe at a push Mario Kart - every game I saw on a console until the late nineties just looked weird and fidgety and not the sort of games I enjoyed playing on Amiga/PC (Monkey Island, Theme Park, Lemmings, Cannon Fodder, then moving onto FPS and RTS games that consoles of the time couldn't manage).
And Flashback is a masterpiece, what are you on about?!
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 18, 2021 8:44:21 GMT
Apart from a very small number of games - Desert Strike, Sonic, maybe at a push Mario Kart - every game I saw on a console until the late nineties just looked weird and fidgety and not the sort of games I enjoyed playing on Amiga/PC (Monkey Island, Theme Park, Lemmings, Cannon Fodder, then moving onto FPS and RTS games that consoles of the time couldn't manage). And Flashback is a masterpiece, what are you on about?! We will never agree on this as you obviously had your camp at the time, but if you think flashback (and another world) are masterpieces you then I donāt know what to say. IMO They are awful games that are borderline unplayable now. I had an Atari st, my mate had an Amiga. Consoles left them behind very Quickly. Pc is a different story
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Post by britesparc on Oct 18, 2021 9:24:16 GMT
Yeah, we're never going to agree, as Flashback is probably still in my all-time Top Ten, and I've played it on Switch as recently as this year. Another World I last played about 6 or 7 years ago and whilst it's of an age I still think it holds up.
I've never, ever played a 2D side-on game that I've enjoyed as much as Flashback. It's up there with Deus Ex and Half-Life in terms of games that just utterly hit me like a sledgehammer with how they pulled me into a believable world and a compelling story.
Of course, I reckon I'm seriously on the fringe with this, and your opinion is probably more popular.
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Post by vicedestroyer on Oct 18, 2021 10:14:11 GMT
Reading this conversation about different opinions has made me think I've woken up in a parallel universe. Isn't this the internet anymore? Two guys with two different opinions? Where are the death threats? The doxxing attempts? The racial abuse? I'm so confused.
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Post by Phattso on Oct 18, 2021 10:16:37 GMT
The thing with an Amiga was that it could play genres that consoles (without a mouse) simply couldn't. But, more importantly, it was also an actual computer that you could do actual things on. It was a music making machine. It was a programming machine. It was an authoring machine. It was an artistic canvas. It being a bit less good at some games was absolutely a worthy tradeoff.
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Post by britesparc on Oct 18, 2021 10:17:50 GMT
Deluxe Paint FTW!
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Post by dfunked on Oct 18, 2021 10:22:16 GMT
I had a SNES back in the day and swapped for a mega drive for a while, but always wanted an Amiga. Probably because of the prospect of having countless dodgy pirated games at your fingertips like my mate. For my SNES I probably only ever had a max of 10 games at a time (one of which was Flashback, which I agree is a classic!)
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Post by barchetta on Oct 18, 2021 10:24:44 GMT
Interesting, as I also felt like I lived a parallel life in video gaming where I pretty much missed the formative years of console gaming and remained a 'computer' gamer until around 96/97 when I bought a PS1. I'd travelled the zx80/81, C64, ST, Amiga and PC route until then and even now, my tastes in games reflects those at that time. Microprose, Particle Systems and the like over Sega, Nintendo.
Never played a Jrpg, never played a Zelda game, Sonic and Mario are unknown waters to me.
Spent plenty of time reading coverage in mags etc but couldn't bring myself to play them. Weird. One of these days (post retirement) I'll give one a go and maybe kick myself for not trying earlier!
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Post by killerbee on Oct 18, 2021 10:44:24 GMT
I was resolutely a ācomputerā gamer until the PS1 too.
Spectrum 48k, +3, Amiga 500+, Amiga 1200 and then a couple of PCs.
I did have an original Gameboy I suppose.
Thing is, I was never hugely jealous of my SNES or MegaDrive owning friends because the Amiga just seemed to be better than most of that.
I am sort of grateful for Nintendoās way of endlessly recycling their old games onto new platforms, as Iāve been able to learn the error of my ways and enjoy most NES and SNES era classics on the GBA and DS.
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Post by britesparc on Oct 18, 2021 11:20:58 GMT
Guys, I feel I've found my tribe.
I do wonder what my tastes would be if I'd been playing Donkey Kong Country or Super Metroid instead of Lure of the Temptress or Hired Guns. But I never felt jealous either. I also think I've always been too shit for twitchy console gaming, which is why I liked slow mouse-based games and Quicksave keys ;-)
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Post by Phattso on Oct 18, 2021 11:26:11 GMT
Yeah, I can't imagine having gamed for 30+ years and, for example, never played a Flight Sim. The Amiga was drowning in them, and the PC of course is their spiritual home. The demo scene, too - it was basically my MTV.
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Post by Warrender on Oct 18, 2021 12:07:30 GMT
Timex Sinclair ZX81 - Mattel Intellivision - Sega Genesis - Commodore 64 - Commodore 128 - Amiga 1000 - various PC builds for over 20 years - PS4 Pro at the very end of the PS4 era.
The Series X is my first ever Xbox and I decided to get it when I realized when subbing to Game Pass for its PC offerings what an incredible value it was. I was lucky enough to grab it day one by hammering the Microsoft website until it finally yielded the opportunity to pre-order.
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Post by barchetta on Oct 18, 2021 12:32:54 GMT
I still have boxes of old Microprose and Dynamix sims. What they lacked in graphical accuracy they made up for in the amount of info provided to 'fill in the gaps'.
MSFS II (C64), Gunship (C64), F-19 (ST), Falcon (ST) then Falcon3 (PC) showed the progression on the sim front.
Really loved those 'simple' simple but Falcon3 was a revelation.
I guess I fell back on G-Police and The other Psygnosis space shooter but I missed those sims when I started console gaming.
Having said that, my mate had Desert Strike on the MegaDrive and I've hoped we'd see that appear in a modern 4K console guise for a few years.
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 18, 2021 13:09:13 GMT
I think it must be something to do with your love for arcades. I absolutely loved arcades when I was kid, so as each console came out I got closer and closer to the arcade experience in my home. I can understand why people loved their Amigas etc. for the games that were not arcade based, but all I really remember about them is their god awful arcade ports normally made by some shitty UK studio. After the NES and Master system I got an imported japanese megadrive with Golden Axe and I was in heaven. I then went around to my mates house who had Golden Axe on his Amiga, it was awful.
Nobody is right or wrong, I suppose it just depends on what style of game you preferred playing as a kid.
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Post by Phattso on Oct 18, 2021 13:37:25 GMT
There is right and wrong. Wanting to play Golden Axe AT ALL was wrong. Shitheel of a game. But yes - playing ports in that era was stupid. See also trying to play Cannon Fodder on a gamepad. It went both ways.
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 18, 2021 13:41:24 GMT
Golden Axe was a work of art! :-)
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 18, 2021 13:49:42 GMT
Also see shoot em ups... Just on the Megadrive we had Hellfire, Thunderforce 3 and 4, Zero Wing, Truxton, Darius, Aero blasters, Steel Empire, gley lancer, Raiden, Gynoug and loads more that all played faithfully to the arcade (if they were ports). One of the worst shoot em ups on the Megadrive was Xenon II which was an Amiga game...
Like I said if you were an arcade nut like me back then consoles was the only way to go. Totally get why people liked the Amiga and ST though, just a very different experience.
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Post by Phattso on Oct 18, 2021 13:57:51 GMT
Interestingly on the shmup side, the Amiga and co. had their own strata of really fun shooters. Blood Money, Xenon/Xenon II, Ippidya, Project X, etc. etc. Different, but also awesome. Kinda on their own sub-genre. So for shooters, whilst not arcade ports, we were reasonably well served. Plus Cinemaware. Yeah - every time I think about it I firmly believe my formative years would've been poorer on console vs. the Speccy/Amiga/PC route I took. But that's why words like "right" and "wrong" exist, so we can put each other in the appropriate camps.
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 18, 2021 14:00:52 GMT
Interestingly on the shmup side, the Amiga and co. had their own strata of really fun shooters. Blood Money, Xenon/Xenon II, Ippidya, Project X, etc. etc. Different, but also awesome. Kinda on their own sub-genre. So for shooters, whilst not arcade ports, we were reasonably well served. Plus Cinemaware. Yeah - every time I think about it I firmly believe my formative years would've been poorer on console vs. the Speccy/Amiga/PC route I took. But that's why words like "right" and "wrong" exist, so we can put each other in the appropriate camps. Did you actually never play Street Fighter 2 at home?
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Post by pierrepressure on Oct 18, 2021 14:03:33 GMT
My early PC gaming began and ended with the C64 handed down to me from an uncle as a Christmas present! After that it was all things console based.
Wonder how my life would would have changed if I persisted with it.
Probably still a virgin š
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Post by clemfandango on Oct 18, 2021 14:06:35 GMT
Couch co op/versus with my mates in high school and college years are some of my fondest gaming memories, all on console
Golden Axe, Street Fighter 2, Mario Kart, WWF No Mercy, Tekken 2, Twisted metal, Virtua Fighter, Sega Rally, Pilot Wings 64, Mario Kart 64 etc.
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Post by Phattso on Oct 18, 2021 14:10:11 GMT
Did you actually never play Street Fighter 2 at home? I'm really not a fan of the genre, actually, so no. I laughed at the poor bastards swapping 7 floppy discs just to get into a fight.
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Post by malek86 on Oct 18, 2021 14:10:14 GMT
We will never agree on this as you obviously had your camp at the time, but if you think flashback (and another world) are masterpieces you then I donāt know what to say. IMO They are awful games that are borderline unplayable now. I agree that Another World is basically unplayable, it's more or less Dragon's Lair in 2D and that's a terrible thing. But Flashback? Sure the controls are kinda clunky, and take some getting used to, but the structure is still pretty viable today.
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