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Post by retro74 on Aug 20, 2022 8:36:39 GMT
Difficult to describe on here without going into detail. On day one of the move we were told we were terrible at our jobs despite the fact that the team were about 50% of their target when I joined a year ago and we improved to 140% and 200% of target the last two quarters. She immediately tripled the target as a result, which is now impossible to achieve. The two guys that work for me are on a performance based quarterly bonus scheme so they will never get that again She also bullied my old manager out of the business after about 6 weeks and when she resigned I got her work too with nothing taken away from my role, and no change in salary. Ended up reporting into the director and the two remaining team members moved to report into me The lady that now works for me came back on a phased (reduced hours) return so I advised the director (my new manager) of this making sure to send the days/hours in writing. She then proceeded to call her repeatedly on her days off, causing a load of stress I had to deal with. Then on a Teams call with loads of other people (project call, wasn’t related to the employee) she asks me why she’s not picking up her calls leading to her demanding “SO IF I CALL HER NOW, WILL SHE ANSWER THE PHONE?” I explain no she won’t ”WHY NOT? WHY WON’T SHE ANSWER HER PHONE?” She keeps pressing the point, again in front of a group of people that don’t know what’s going on, until I have to say ”No she won’t answer the phone as she’s currently in a therapy session to help with her condition” very awkward That was just the first week, got a lot worse from there  |
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Post by Sarfrin on Aug 20, 2022 9:41:45 GMT
Christ. She sounds genuinely deranged.
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Post by cubby on Aug 20, 2022 9:56:20 GMT
Yikes.
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Post by dmukgr on Aug 20, 2022 10:03:57 GMT
On your way out do a leaving gift of 360 reviews across your whole team and give them to her, hr and her boss  |
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Post by retro74 on Aug 20, 2022 11:01:57 GMT
I did the right thing just getting out without saying how I really felt. She’s pretty well thought of with the senior leadership team with her “I’ll do anything to win” attitude Early on after we transferred we had to go to a team offsite where we were split into teams of 8 doing team building tasks, only the top half of the teams got to do the final task and her team had been useless and therefore were in the bottom half She just moved herself to the top team and did it anyway, because that’s what “winners” do  |
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Post by Tomo on Aug 20, 2022 11:19:59 GMT
I never heard of a 360 review until last week when I had to do one for my boss. Weird experience. Supposed to be anonymous but in a team of about 8 people it's not gonna be hard to tell who said what.
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Post by cubby on Aug 20, 2022 11:24:57 GMT
Just make sure to sprinkle in some criticism that would only make sense coming from another member of the team, rather than you.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Aug 20, 2022 11:31:28 GMT
We had a similar guy come in, acting like he was Rambo or something. First day complaining about how he loves a battle, how the corporate culture was too soft, expectations were too low and we were paid too much.
Everyone bar two people had left within three months which, apparently, he took to mean he was right and that we had all ‘got out of the kitchen’. When I got my move (a promotion) he started taking the piss out of me being a corporate climber and asked if I thought I would be ‘running the place within a year’.
It was so weird. It didn’t upset me or stress me out as such because I realised in that first meeting that life was too short to work with that cunt and immediately checked out but I was quite surprised. I had never come across such a dickhead in all my working life.
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Post by 😎 on Aug 20, 2022 16:00:34 GMT
I’m interviewing next week for the position I’m basically doing now, which is weird. I think it’s about 99% set in stone but if the 1% happens I’m not sure what to do. It won’t be me out of a job, I’ll still have a dedicated role, just doing something very different to my day to day today. I’m technically an architect but have been operating about 80% as technical lead/senior engineer for another team while they were waiting for the position to be formally approved.
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Post by Sarfrin on Aug 20, 2022 16:24:33 GMT
Good luck. I'm sure you'll be fine.
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Post by 😎 on Aug 20, 2022 16:35:06 GMT
The only thing that makes me anxious is it went from “we’ll just move you into the role” to “we’ll post it for internal applicants but only let you apply” to “we’ll post it externally but leave it open for just a couple of days” to “we’ll post it and leave it open for two weeks”
I think it’s just the HR process and them wanting to avoid any accusations of favoritism though.
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Post by dmukgr on Aug 20, 2022 16:40:53 GMT
Sounds like it. Otherwise they would leave it open longer - sounds like it’s just arse covering.
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Post by Danno on Aug 20, 2022 17:26:12 GMT
I think it’s just the HR process and them wanting to avoid any accusations of favoritism though. It's 100% this, you'll be fine. Tell that 1% braincell to shove it |
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Post by 😎 on Aug 20, 2022 17:46:10 GMT
Oh for sure, and even if it doesn’t happen for whatever reason I still have a good position that I enjoy doing so it’ll be all good. My OCD just absolutely hates uncertainty of any kind though.
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Post by mikeck on Aug 20, 2022 17:56:03 GMT
The only thing that makes me anxious is it went from “we’ll just move you into the role” to “we’ll post it for internal applicants but only let you apply” to “we’ll post it externally but leave it open for just a couple of days” to “we’ll post it and leave it open for two weeks” I think it’s just the HR process and them wanting to avoid any accusations of favoritism though. It's that end bit that pisses me off the most, you've earned that role, but then they open it up got external candidates who apply in good faith that they've got a chance when the likelihood is that they don't. |
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Post by Sarfrin on Aug 20, 2022 18:18:30 GMT
The only thing that makes me anxious is it went from “we’ll just move you into the role” to “we’ll post it for internal applicants but only let you apply” to “we’ll post it externally but leave it open for just a couple of days” to “we’ll post it and leave it open for two weeks” I think it’s just the HR process and them wanting to avoid any accusations of favoritism though. It's that end bit that pisses me off the most, you've earned that role, but then they open it up got external candidates who apply in good faith that they've got a chance when the likelihood is that they don't. Yeah, that's always annoying when you go for an interview and there's an internal candidate who's been doing the job already. You know you're going through all that just so they can tick a box. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Aug 20, 2022 18:55:19 GMT
I think it’s just the HR process and them wanting to avoid any accusations of favoritism though. I\We get this a lot. More often than not, you just want to parachute someone you know who can hit the ground running into a role but you have to dick about with closed recruitment for a few days. Then if you do that too much, they make you throw it open to external especially if someone above you has got a boner for ‘fresh blood’ in the team. I wouldn’t worry about it. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Aug 25, 2022 7:18:01 GMT
Our new HR director is a bit annoying, and slightly duplicitous. She gave a big spiel about being family first yet is very much trying to push people back into the office without any real care to people's circumstances. Reading between the lines and overhearing a few conversations about the HR director being very disengaged at a disability forum it's clear she's got a focus on the property portfolio here. I don't give a shit about that.
I'm in the office 3-4 days a week anyway as I don't have a particularly good home set up (I mean, it's okay but it's the same place I play games and I'd rather have a massive divisions between work and actual life), and my commute is free.
I'd I had to spend money to get into the office I'd think differently. And if I had an actual work study I'm not sure what the work/productivity benefit would be.
So even though I'm the office more than not, I'm very much against pushing people back into the office for no reason. The often mooted notion of collaboration is frankly bollocks for 75% of the time.
If it becomes mandated in just going to work core hours and fuck informally working later/earlier to finish bits off anymore.
So change is coming I fear, and I'm feeling a bit alienated from the new direction.
Problem is I don't hate this job (which is about the best I can manage for enthusiasm at work). So looking elsewhere didn't really appeal. I'm really not career driven, my job is means to sustain my life, beyond that I couldn't give too many shits about it.
More a moan about work than anything else.
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Post by dfunked on Aug 25, 2022 7:25:11 GMT
HR are always there to protect the company's interests first and foremost, anything else might seem like a priority but that's just on the surface. You might get some more caring types at the lower levels, but directors are always class A cunts in my experience.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Aug 25, 2022 7:32:11 GMT
Yep, very much so.
I'd rather the new director was just honest about it though, instead of declaring that family and people are important, and bollocking on about taking her kids to Legoland. Just say the company doesn't want to lose its precious offices and we need meatbags in them to justify their existence.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Aug 25, 2022 7:59:03 GMT
To be fair to HR, It’s never really the HR department who make that kind of policy. I don’t think they give a shit where you work. That happens somewhere else in the business and they help craft it into a policy they can hold people to.
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Post by clemfandango on Aug 25, 2022 10:51:09 GMT
I do think a special type of person chooses HR for a career. A bit like traffic wardens and life coaches
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Post by Dougs on Aug 25, 2022 11:11:55 GMT
And referees.
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Post by dmukgr on Aug 26, 2022 5:08:05 GMT
Im lucky, the HR people at my place are great but we’ve had some real cunts in previous years - they got moved on though as management generally is people first as without our engineers we don’t actually have a business and the industry has a lot of opportunities for people to jump ship so we have to counter that.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 1, 2022 7:02:59 GMT
Had an amusing call at work, basically our HR head and the executive committee held a teams call where we were told that we'd need to start coming in day least two days per week.
That in itself surprised nobody, but the messaging was so bad it was amazing.
The comments on the calls chat section went nuts. I've not seen that number of comments, often in great detail, for any call before.
But the executive committee totally failed to explain the rationale and what the actual business drivers for the decision were. They totally failed to redress people's concerns about the cost of living crisis making committing financially concerning for some (plus childcare costs etc). Instead we got some wishy washy "we believe that returning to the office will be good" remarks, some utterly absurd comments about fun.
It just came across like then talking down to us. It was hilarious to see the reaction.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 1, 2022 8:09:29 GMT
You either actually mandate something or dont bother. With two days a week, all meetings are on zoom/teams anyway.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 1, 2022 8:14:02 GMT
Yup. I can't concentrate without headphones one due to the number of calls going on. I don't like taking calls at my desk either, so make myself scarce. Not enough room for everyone to do that though, so I don't blame them.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 1, 2022 8:22:55 GMT
Thats a really good point. Ive started muting people in teams meetings who are in the office and when they come back off mute to talk, all you can hear is the entire fucking floor talking at the same time.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 1, 2022 8:23:08 GMT
You either actually mandate something or dont bother. With two days a week, all meetings are on zoom/teams anyway. They explicitly said it's not a mandate. They also said there would be very few exceptions. But it's definitely not a mandate. |
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