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Post by starchildhypocrethes on May 29, 2022 15:00:34 GMT
At the time it looked like he got some wheelspin that pushed him sideways, so maybe they gave him the benefit of the doubt due to the wet or something?
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Post by muddyfunster on May 29, 2022 15:02:22 GMT
Anyway the racing is basically done for the day now. It's just about reliability.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 29, 2022 15:04:31 GMT
At the time it looked like he got some wheelspin that pushed him sideways, so maybe they gave him the benefit of the doubt due to the wet or something? Sure but he lost control because he booted the throttle in trying to get out ahead of Leclerc. Isn't that why it's a penalty? You aren't allowed to cross the line on pit exit, and losing control isn't a valid excuse for doing so. You're supposed to be under control and mindful of rejoining safely as it's your obligation to do so.
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Post by Whizzo on May 29, 2022 15:05:25 GMT
Slam dunk penalty for Max, Shirley? What's going on with this? Either he crossed the line or he didn't. Check the tape lads. Found this on another forum, yeah that's a cut.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on May 29, 2022 15:06:51 GMT
He clearly caught a bit of wheelspin and corrected. Non event.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 29, 2022 15:09:14 GMT
He clearly caught a bit of wheelspin and corrected. Non event. Depends if the rules allow for steward discretion but I didn't think they did? Losing control on your own is rarely considered a mitigating factor.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on May 29, 2022 15:10:43 GMT
Would be pretty open and shut on the telemetry if he opened up the throttle in an irregular manner. This incident ain't it.
Rolling start here is total bullshit.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on May 29, 2022 15:11:49 GMT
The whole race has been an utter shitshow.
Burn the race director!
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Post by muddyfunster on May 29, 2022 15:12:05 GMT
Also weird that the TV gfx said Perez was under investigation and not Max. Presume that was a mistake?
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Post by muddyfunster on May 29, 2022 15:16:58 GMT
Would be pretty open and shut on the telemetry if he opened up the throttle in an irregular manner. This incident ain't it. Rolling start here is total bullshit. Depends what the rules say. Is it black or white or not? I genuinely don't know, but can't recall leniency off the top of my head.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on May 29, 2022 15:18:58 GMT
Any of the yellow pit line does not mean all.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on May 29, 2022 15:21:08 GMT
I love that Perez restart. No stupid little games like one of those penalties with a stuttering run up, just "Haha racing car go brrrrrr".
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Post by Solid-SCB- on May 29, 2022 15:36:24 GMT
A driver being able to take 3s off their laptime and stay comfortably ahead shows why it won't be a sad day if this event no longer goes ahead after this year.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 29, 2022 15:45:18 GMT
Ok found it:
"Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the Stewards), any line painted on the track at the pit exit for the purpose of separating cars leaving the pits from those on the track must not be crossed by any part of a car leaving the pits."
So Red Bull would have to argue force majeure as part of the car evidently did cross the line.
Personally I don't really see how having less traction from cold tyres and wet track would meet the definition of unforeseeable, nor is torque an 'irresistible' force seeing as it's propertional to your right foot. But I am somewhat biased admittedly. I don't think it's a healthy precedent to set (once again) from the stewards.
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Post by Whizzo on May 29, 2022 15:46:27 GMT
Fast & Furious : Monaco Drift
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Post by Solid-SCB- on May 29, 2022 15:49:44 GMT
If I were Hamilton I'd totally trim my pace and make sure that sister Alpine finishes outside the points with the penalty. The shithousery would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 29, 2022 15:51:32 GMT
Norris might get the fastest lap point. Not much else to play for here.
The cynic in me thinks Red Bull would be fine with Perez and Sainz coming together here. Perez will turn in if Sainz tries it.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on May 29, 2022 15:52:27 GMT
Basically if he skips the chicane he loses. Makes it every lap and he wins.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 29, 2022 15:54:34 GMT
Don't fall for it Carlos.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 29, 2022 15:56:07 GMT
Also this is why I was against the new time limits. Robs us of racing. If they have the fuel and the light, they should keep going.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on May 29, 2022 15:56:09 GMT
No idea why Red Bull put mediums on. It's not like Max was ever getting past Sainz when Hamilton can't even overtake a fucking tractor.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on May 29, 2022 15:59:53 GMT
Lewis magically 5s off Alonso now. Operation shithouse is a-go. Love it.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 29, 2022 16:02:20 GMT
Lewis magically 5s off Alonso now. Operation shithouse is a-go. Love it. That is excellent. Ocon's defense was basically exactly why overtakes into T1 are now impossible. I'm sure Hamilton would rather have had the track position at the time rather than see Ocon get a +5.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on May 29, 2022 16:04:04 GMT
Second half of the race was utter garbage but I'm delighted for Perez. Fully deserved victory and arguably should have won the last 2 in a row.
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Post by Whizzo on May 29, 2022 16:06:52 GMT
The Schumacher red flag pretty much ruined it but it wasn't surprising it was needed.
More interesting than usual at Monaco but still a crap race.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 29, 2022 16:10:10 GMT
Well, I won't be sorry if we never have another one of these 'occassions'.
Happy for Sergio. The faster RB this weekend, and a nice response to not having a fair crack in Barcelona. Fair play to Red bull for allowing him the opportunity.
Can't help but feel it was just Charles turn to suffer the deeply unfair 'penalised for leading and having to make a call' experience. Didn't do anything wrong and was fairly comfortable in the lead again.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on May 29, 2022 16:12:31 GMT
Perez only 15 behind. If my aunty had bollocks and all that, but if not for some shit luck in Saudi and team orders at Barca he'd probably be leading the way. Good to see a genuinely strong opposite half of the RB garage.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 29, 2022 16:13:38 GMT
Ok found it: "Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the Stewards), any line painted on the track at the pit exit for the purpose of separating cars leaving the pits from those on the track must not be crossed by any part of a car leaving the pits." So Red Bull would have to argue force majeure as part of the car evidently did cross the line. Personally I don't really see how having less traction from cold tyres and wet track would meet the definition of unforeseeable, nor is torque an 'irresistible' force seeing as it's propertional to your right foot. But I am somewhat biased admittedly. I don't think it's a healthy precedent to set (once again) from the stewards. I'd like an answer from the stewards as to why they felt it was force majeure so that we are clear moving forward as to what's allowed. Prior to today, I thought I understood this rule. F1 journalists need to be on this.
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Post by muddyfunster on May 29, 2022 16:41:48 GMT
So Anthony Davidson's replay appeared to show Max's tyre crossed onto the pit exit line, but did not cross onto the tarmac on the other side of the line.
So long as 'on the line' does not equal 'crossing' henceforth, I can live with that interpretation.
Another situation where we just need the FIA to explain that's the call and then everyone can race accordingly and the fans can understand the situation. Did they judge it as a 'did not cross' or was it a foul granted clemency due to 'force majeure'? This shouldn't be a particularly hard one to clarify. The only bad outcome would be leaving the impression they make it up as they go along.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on May 29, 2022 16:46:10 GMT
If anything needs looking into its that first hour of non-action where we have seemingly learned no lessons from Spa whatsoever.
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