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Post by lukasz on Jun 19, 2024 23:09:43 GMT
www.gamedeveloper.com/business/valve-drops-mac-support-for-team-fortress-2-portal-2-other-titlesAs well as other games. Per my understanding that means your games you bought for your Mac and played for years are now not available. And if you had them on automatic update you played yesterday and today they are gone. Portal and HL2 are single player games. So dont need valve to run servers to support gameplay. And yet they have a power to remove your purchases on a whim. Does anyone else find it disgusting?
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Post by dangerousdave on Jun 20, 2024 3:38:19 GMT
To take something away from you that once worked fine, yeah that’s just plain bad. Didn’t expect this from Valve. Could it possibly be a mistake?
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Post by 😎 on Jun 20, 2024 4:33:49 GMT
It’s a little bit more complex than that. It’s all to do with full end of life for 32bit support, and most of the Source games never received 64bit Mac binaries. This would only impact anyone who was still running MacOS 10.14 or below, as none of these games would run on 10.15 and above anyway, and the Steam Client doesn’t even technically run on them either. The purchases also aren’t removed, you still have the games in your library and can run them with some of the translation layer things like porting toolkit or parallels. Current rumors are they’ll reappear shortly as 64bit apps with Apple’s newer versions of the Game Porting Kit. help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/743F-2E0E-C9A5-C375 |
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Post by lukasz on Jun 20, 2024 5:54:17 GMT
It’s a little bit more complex than that. It’s all to do with full end of life for 32bit support, and most of the Source games never received 64bit Mac binaries. This would only impact anyone who was still running MacOS 10.14 or below, as none of these games would run on 10.15 and above anyway, and the Steam Client doesn’t even technically run on them either. The purchases also aren’t removed, you still have the games in your library and can run them with some of the translation layer things like porting toolkit or parallels. Current rumors are they’ll reappear shortly as 64bit apps with Apple’s newer versions of the Game Porting Kit. help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/743F-2E0E-C9A5-C375Clearly demonstrates how quickly valve and others can make your collection unusable. Its not making old games compatible with new system, say, blade runner game on cds wont work on modern pc, and even on win xp. (One of the reasons why it took so long for it to be on digital shops) But your old game is no longer able to be run on your old pc. My half life 2 cds contain different game than current version. But i still cant install them on my old xp machine. That game is gone unless you seek pirated version. Because valve, blizzard, ea and others decided to not support it. I really dont like that development |
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Post by 😎 on Jun 20, 2024 6:31:31 GMT
Well, depends on how you define “quick”. The 32bit/64bit thing has been the case for the last 5 years, so it’s not exactly an overnight development,
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 20, 2024 7:48:00 GMT
It's hard to complain about a company not making a 20 year old game keep working on modern hardware.
The post above also makes me want to get Blade Runner again as well.
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Post by muddyfunster on Jun 20, 2024 8:02:44 GMT
Yeah I think it's unreasonable to expect software support for longer than say 10 years. It would be good if game developers actually committed to a length up front though. Even then, nothing much can be done to guard against developers going bankrupt.
Obviously it should be expected that if you make no hardware or software changes you can keep using offline software you've bought indefinitely until that hardware breaks.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Jun 20, 2024 8:39:55 GMT
Gaming on mac still sucks. They did a couple metal ports of Resi Evil 8 and 4, but only on the apple store, not steam. I have a respectable steam library, if you filter on mac there’s not a whole lot left.
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Post by lukasz on Jun 20, 2024 9:09:38 GMT
It's hard to complain about a company not making a 20 year old game keep working on modern hardware. The post above also makes me want to get Blade Runner again as well. You misunderstood. They made old game not work on then contemporary system. Because they updated it and the steam you can't play old game on old system. Well, depends on how you define “quick”. The 32bit/64bit thing has been the case for the last 5 years, so it’s not exactly an overnight development, Worked yesterday, today it does not. That's quick. |
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Post by 😎 on Jun 20, 2024 11:55:36 GMT
It didn’t work yesterday. Steam client in itself stopped working on 32bit a few months back, so this scenario of “playing it yesterday with auto-updates on” doesn’t exist.
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Post by lukasz on Jun 20, 2024 13:04:45 GMT
It didn’t work yesterday. Steam client in itself stopped working on 32bit a few months back, so this scenario of “playing it yesterday with auto-updates on” doesn’t exist. one day it worked, then suddenly it forces you to update. the moment you do you lose access to games. |
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Post by 😎 on Jun 20, 2024 13:06:32 GMT
“Suddenly, with only 5 years notice, it stopped working”
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Post by lukasz on Jun 20, 2024 13:12:32 GMT
“Suddenly, with only 5 years notice, it stopped working” Notice is irrelevant. you have a single player game which you bought, working on your computer. then steam forces update. you cant avoid it without prep before and even then it is not guarantee it will work* no more gaming for you. you still have your purchase, you still have the same working hardware. and yet you lose lose ability to play that game ever again on your computer. it is not right thing for a company to take away your purchase like that. *as an example in 2017 i lost internet connection at home for a month. steam worked for a week. then no more gaming but fortunately i had gog games installed. you cant postpone update indefinitely. |
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Post by 😎 on Jun 20, 2024 13:18:58 GMT
I mean, you’re* using cloud based software on an operating system that’s no longer supported or maintained. It’s been this way for a good long while now, and even then there’s plenty of alternatives like virtualization layers or cracks.
I get the argument about game preservation, but this isn’t it.
*the hypothetical you’re as there’s probably about 5 people on the planet this affects
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jun 20, 2024 14:03:26 GMT
Isn't this just a DRM issue? Steam uses DRM. I've never understood why people hate DRM but seem to love Steam/Gabe Newell so much
They complain about launchers, always online, account requirements, etc. but Steam always gets a free pass. Steam was purposely designed with DRM
I stopped playing on PC shortly before that and remember trying to play Counter Strike a bit after but needed Steam now. It seemed really weird back then and I couldn't be arsed
This is just an issue with all online DRM. It doesn't sound like a malicious act on Valve's part. If they don't update it/restore access, steal a DRM free version
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Post by Wrongshui on Jun 20, 2024 14:06:00 GMT
It's hard to complain about a company not making a 20 year old game keep working on modern hardware. Jesus man trigger warning that shit, I just aged like that Nazi who drank from the wrong cup in The Last Crusade. |
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 20, 2024 14:09:04 GMT
I've just checked and it hasn't been patched since November 2023, so not only is it not overnight but this issue you've just noticed means your game hasn't worked on your Mac for (at least) 7 months.
Maybe you should be more angry at 32 bit not being supported by Macs.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 20, 2024 14:11:36 GMT
I've just checked and it hasn't been patched since November 2023, so not only is it not overnight but this issue you've just noticed means your game hasn't worked on your Mac for (at least) 7 months. Maybe you should be more angry at 32 bit not being supported by Macs. But the quality journalism of...game developer.com says opposite |
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Post by 😎 on Jun 20, 2024 14:20:11 GMT
It wasn’t explicitly a patch, it was removing the macOS tag from the app metadata. That said it looks like they reversed it even before this thread was created so it’s all a bit stupid. steamdb.info/app/220/history/ |
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 20, 2024 14:20:13 GMT
If it helps, it works perfectly on parallels. Just in case you're desperate to play it several months/years after you've read this.
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Post by 😎 on Jun 20, 2024 14:22:42 GMT
I don’t think it even affects this guy, he just read a poorly written article, jumped to a conclusion and decided this needed some Internet Anger.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jun 20, 2024 14:26:04 GMT
Internet Anger round my neck, he never gets respect
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Post by cubby on Jun 20, 2024 14:39:36 GMT
Fuck, I missed out on something to get worked up about.
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Post by 😎 on Jun 20, 2024 14:41:59 GMT
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 20, 2024 14:45:22 GMT
Font Geek has never supported macOS gaming as there's no subsection for it so people can be outraged about that.
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Post by lukasz on Jun 20, 2024 16:18:45 GMT
Interesting of you defending corporations cutting you off from a working product you purchased? Such a weird take.
And even weird take it is to assume that it must affect someone before they are allowed to consider it unacceptable.
And they did the same with xp. Which did affect me.
Dont like this development. Games from 2002 and before work. Maybe not on modern system but if you enjoy retro gaming they are working perfectly fine.
Now even the original release on original system without any live part wont work. And heck. A simple update can break it even if it was okay the other day.
So old macos, winxp, Vista, win7 soon.
Step by step less and less control we have over our purchases.
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 20, 2024 16:27:46 GMT
They haven't cut you off, they just don't support it anymore (currently) on Mac. The same has happened with every single piece of software ever made, and if it hasn't yet then it will.
You're still ignoring that it didn't work the other day, now it tells you so. There's only so much impotent rage that can be wasted on such unimportant things in life.
Things don't work forever when they're dependent on the hardware and other software.
I wouldn't expect a VHS cassette to work in a Blu Ray player. I bought that but changed the hardware.
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Post by lukasz on Jun 20, 2024 16:32:21 GMT
They haven't cut you off, they just don't support it anymore (currently) on Mac. The same has happened with every single piece of software ever made, and if it hasn't yet then it will. Things don't work forever when they're dependent on the hardware and other software. I wouldn't expect a VHS cassette to work in a Blu Ray player. I bought that but changed the hardware. Am I misunderstanding then? Cause its not about old games working on new system. Its about old games not working on old system. So your VHS player stops playing cassettes because there was firmware update. Per the article games were patched breaking them. No longer working on a computer but they did before. You cant reliably stop updates so yesterday you played but then recent patch broke it. |
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Post by Tomo on Jun 20, 2024 16:34:57 GMT
Dude, honestly, go outside for a walk. Enjoy the sunshine. Have an ice cream. There are things to enjoy out there.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Jun 20, 2024 16:35:13 GMT
Knowing Valve, I’d guess something changed on Apple’s end, and they can’t be arsed to put in the work to jump through someone else’s hoops. Then 4 years down the line it’ll suddenly start working again because one guy over there suddenly felt like fixing it.
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