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Post by damagedinc on Feb 28, 2024 22:55:54 GMT
Another casualty to add to the growing list of people now looking for jobs ..... seems to be increasing by the day.
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Post by richardiox on Feb 28, 2024 23:04:49 GMT
Shareholders gotta eat
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Post by Nitrous on Feb 28, 2024 23:11:03 GMT
Is it really in meltdown though? Or is it just down to pure greed and the need to make even more money than the previous year?
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Post by richardiox on Feb 28, 2024 23:14:40 GMT
Growth>Profit was and is entirely unsustainable and why there is just so much "content" everywhere. Gotta grow that pie even it's already baked and tasty
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 28, 2024 23:50:11 GMT
That EA mass layoff situation has also resulted in the Respawn star wars FPS being cancelled and the studio who were making a single player BF game also being shutdown.
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Post by Syrette on Feb 28, 2024 23:52:03 GMT
Feels like it's the same story every single day now.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 29, 2024 0:11:05 GMT
Financial years coming up, time to make that bottom line look good for the shareholders who want INFINITE GROWTH.
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Post by simple on Feb 29, 2024 0:32:48 GMT
Its crazy that these companies are laying off so many people while raking in billions. Its got to become unsustainable at some point, right?
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Post by Nanocrystal on Feb 29, 2024 2:11:29 GMT
How much of this is just the live service bubble bursting? Because as shitty as layoffs are, that can only be good for the medium.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 29, 2024 6:38:27 GMT
Might be some slots opening up in Dundee.
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Post by damagedinc on Feb 29, 2024 7:34:45 GMT
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Post by zisssou on Feb 29, 2024 8:52:15 GMT
The mental thing is that the decision makers, who green lit these projects.. won't get laid off. They put aside the millions to make Spider-Man, or whatever, then it doesn't hit the target the shareholders are happy with..
It's like every industry. No one at the stop is held accountable for their mistakes, but it's the grunts who take the beating.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 9:07:56 GMT
The Spider-Man games must have sold shit loads though, how much would it have to sell to appease them?
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 29, 2024 9:13:52 GMT
I honestly can't remember the last EA game I played, let alone bought so if they are doubling down on sports games and live service I can't see that changing any time soon.
EDIT: The first Star Wars Jump Face game. Dunno about the one before that, though.. maybe Titanfall 2?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 9:15:46 GMT
That EA mass layoff situation has also resulted in the Respawn star wars FPS being cancelled and the studio who were making a single player BF game also being shutdown. IF that Respawn game is the rumoured Mando game I'd only just learnt about, thats pretty gutting. |
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Post by Vandelay on Feb 29, 2024 9:16:18 GMT
Just glancing and seems SM2 sold basically what the original sold (currently at 10 million units for the sequel and the original sold about 9 million between September and November). It is by far the biggest selling PS5 game, with Ratchet & Clank (another Insomniac game) being the second at just under 4 million.
Messing about with Insomniac seems nuts.
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Post by zisssou on Feb 29, 2024 9:18:19 GMT
The Spider-Man games must have sold shit loads though, how much would it have to sell to appease them? They had a reported 315 million budget. Just think how many copies they need to sell in order to break even, let alone make a massive profit. |
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Post by Dougs on Feb 29, 2024 9:22:50 GMT
9m copies sold is a pretty healthy profit then.
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Post by X201 on Feb 29, 2024 9:27:19 GMT
"Live service games are the future. Make more live service games"
"Why didn't your game make money?"
"Because everyone else is making live service games and people haven't got enough money to live and are cutting back on games purchases"
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Post by zisssou on Feb 29, 2024 9:30:48 GMT
9m copies sold is a pretty healthy profit then. Meanwhile. Palworld had sold a combined 19 million.. |
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Post by zisssou on Feb 29, 2024 9:35:47 GMT
Anyway not really the point I guess. But more how a live service game, with far less budget can sell more than a massive AAA budget. Perhaps these decision makers need to go.. well lets set the budget lower? As much as Spider-Man 2 was insanely impressive, on the face of it, there's a lot of similarities to the other two games. I didn't feel like I was going, wow this is a great new experience, other than ah yeah the tech is impressive you can zip instantly across the map.
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Post by tonyferrino on Feb 29, 2024 9:40:59 GMT
This is the worst of capitalism on show, basically. Companies can't be satisfied with doing good things and maintaining their position, there has to be "more". Hopefully those laid off can either find a position elsewhere, or ideally help to create something completely new.
I had a weirdly sanguine moment when I was thinking about all this. I would miss the anticipation of new games, and the dopamine rush of getting the next big thing, but really, do I need it all? I've got enough games to last me for the rest of my life already.
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Post by Mr Wonderstuff on Feb 29, 2024 9:42:45 GMT
Might be some slots opening up in Dundee. Shock. Horror. Working in an office for five days?! I remember a time (before I went freelance) when working from home was the exception rather than the rule. How times have changed. |
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Post by Dougs on Feb 29, 2024 9:46:56 GMT
If there evidence that the job wasn't getting done, sure. But otherwise it's just the usual bullshit.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 29, 2024 9:57:30 GMT
Messing about with Insomniac seems nuts. Having been in the vague orbit of these things its possible they got hit with the 'duplicate functions' rationalisation. If you have a load of companies now under one umbrella, you don't need five risk departments, five HR departments, five finance departments and so on and so forth. The 'talent' may not have been hit, its often the support staff that get rationalised. |
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Post by damagedinc on Feb 29, 2024 9:57:33 GMT
I imagine this is more due to the leaks?
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 29, 2024 9:59:25 GMT
If there evidence that the job wasn't getting done, sure. But otherwise it's just the usual bullshit. Its probably the security stuff that's driving it. Its harder to film dev builds on your mobile when you've got a supervisor walking the floor. |
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Post by damagedinc on Feb 29, 2024 9:59:32 GMT
After playing tomb raider again I would love a return to more level based games, tight and focused. Most games now always end up being 60-100 hour slots in massive worlds.
Quality games shorter in length would also surely help work loads and budgets? I'm no accountant so maybe it's not viable but it's certainly something I would welcome.
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Post by JuniorFE on Feb 29, 2024 10:02:53 GMT
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Post by Dougs on Feb 29, 2024 10:09:19 GMT
If there evidence that the job wasn't getting done, sure. But otherwise it's just the usual bullshit. Its probably the security stuff that's driving it. Its harder to film dev builds on your mobile when you've got a supervisor walking the floor. Ah, that's fair enough. Can understand that of course. |
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