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Post by Duffking on May 4, 2024 20:26:00 GMT
I mean, it was always listed as a requirement. They just turned it off after launch to help stop the servers falling over.
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Post by Whizzo on May 4, 2024 20:44:35 GMT
Stalkers are right cunts to kill, can wipe out a squad so quickly. They're even worse now that the bug that showed them in foggy/smokey conditions is fixed. Finding a lair has to be top priority when they show up. Handily while they can go invisible any fire they have on them can't so I'll be switching to incendiary impact grenades when they become available next week for high level bug missions. |
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Post by JuniorFE on May 5, 2024 22:15:11 GMT
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Post by dfunked on May 6, 2024 6:57:18 GMT
Yikes... OK, maybe it is a little bit worse than "just suck it up and use a PSN account" after all.
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Rolled back now:
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Post by Tuffty on May 6, 2024 7:04:30 GMT
Hope the recent negative reviews get removed, game doesn't deserve it, nor does the studio. But I imagine most people will forget or won't care to. Whoever made this decision within Sony should be reprimanded or something. How do you see something like 170 countries no longer able to buy or play the game and still go through with it?
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Post by gibroon on May 6, 2024 7:20:04 GMT
I must admit I had no idea that so many countries do not have PSN available. Is this because they do not like Sony, regimes, stopping kids playing games? I'm quite confused by all of this.
I'm not surprised they have back tracked. Seems like a minefield of legality if you are trying to sell a product in a country but you are legally not allowed to play the game in the same country.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on May 6, 2024 8:50:36 GMT
I came to post about the steam removal last night and forgot to hit submit. The thing trending on Reddit yesterday was that it seems like if you're from the Ukraine you physically have to create an account on playstation hardware for it to be accepted.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on May 6, 2024 9:08:07 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 6, 2024 9:11:43 GMT
Well, when everyone gave Sony shit for the 10 quid upgrade for Horizon they relented for that one game but made it standard going forward. I'd almost guarantee they'll make a launcher/PSN login obligatory and very present going forward.
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Post by Zyrr on May 6, 2024 9:46:34 GMT
I don't own Helldivers 2, but what was the purpose of PC players needing a PSN account? Access to cross-platform saves? Or is this just a means for Sony to increase account sign-ups with literally zero gain for the end user?
One of the main things putting me off picking this up is the lack of cross-progression between PS and PC.
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 6, 2024 9:59:42 GMT
I don't own Helldivers 2, but what was the purpose of PC players needing a PSN account? Access to cross-platform saves? Or is this just a means for Sony to increase account sign-ups with literally zero gain for the end user? One of the main things putting me off picking this up is the lack of cross-progression between PS and PC. The official line was to protect people from griefing and that kind of stuff that only a PSN account can do. It wasn't implemented at the beginning to ensure that the servers wouldn't fucking keel over. Usually it's just to scrape all that lovely customer data. It's still insane that it got to the stage where they removed it from sale from so many countries. You have to wonder who signed that off and essentially left the Devs out to dry in all this. |
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Post by JuniorFE on May 6, 2024 10:06:45 GMT
Well, when everyone gave Sony shit for the 10 quid upgrade for Horizon they relented for that one game but made it standard going forward. I'd almost guarantee they'll make a launcher/PSN login obligatory and very present going forward. Maybe, but at least then it'll be a requirement from the start, rather than leaving the devs out to dry, pissing off the playerbase and opening themselves up to mass refunds and/or even potential lawsuits for suddenly locking that many out of the game... |
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 6, 2024 10:09:46 GMT
Tbf it was a requirement from the start and advertised on the store page, but I guess it highlights how many people don't read store pages and jump straight to BUY NOW.
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Post by JuniorFE on May 6, 2024 10:26:32 GMT
Tbf it was a requirement from the start and advertised on the store page, but I guess it highlights how many people don't read store pages and jump straight to BUY NOW. True, but it was pretty much immediately removed as a requirement upon launch (AFAIK to reduce server load) and the game was still made available to countries that never had PSN... Neither of those is on the players This is a problem that should never have happened. Either never make the game available in countries that couldn't fulfill the requirement/don't make the requirement optional (which would be bad for the playerbase in many ways, but at least this mess wouldn't have happened) or don't enforce it now and screw over both your playerbase and the devs in the process (and for the record, I don't even have the game and never planned on getting it. Doesn't mean I'm not going to call them out on a screw-up of this magnitude  ) |
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 6, 2024 10:34:25 GMT
Well the notification was always on the store and was always going to be put back in the game it wasn't removed as you put it. Yes, I think there are lessons to be learnt definitely on Sony's side but at the same time I do think it's on the consumer to be aware about what they're buying especially from big corporations who aren't known for their charity and I guess the only reason such a big stink was made about this because it's a very popular game. But obviously the PSN requirement would have been from day one.
One thing I particularly didn't like about this is some of the vitriol directed at the developers. Capital G Gamers showering themselves in glory yet again.
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Post by gibroon on May 6, 2024 10:55:21 GMT
Part of me is impressed how united everyone was in getting Sony to back track (legally it looked like they had no choice) but part of me wonders how energised and vocal gamers are about civil liberty erosion, cost of living crisis, homelessness, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, world pollution of rivers, seas, air. Methinks there is a lot of sitting on hands when it comes to big issues in the world. Maybe I'm just too cynical.
The nerd rage is strong with this one, £40 game.
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Post by Tuffty on May 6, 2024 11:22:59 GMT
I mean look at the outrage over Stellar Blade's "censorship". Don't underestimate people's abilities to care about the most trivial stuff. Sadly the number of times you see people getting vocal over stuff like protecting free speech and then laugh at videos of protestors getting mobbed by the police is too many.
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Post by Duffking on May 6, 2024 13:32:25 GMT
I wonder if all the people who were pretending they cared about data privacy are going to stick to the bit and continue not to play the game because it is by definition a data collecting juggernaut as an always online video game, and will also follow through by deleting their Steam accounts because after all they abhor needless data collection, and forever abstain from posting on their reddit, twitter and 529 other social media accounts they use every day
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Post by JuniorFE on May 6, 2024 13:44:40 GMT
To devil's advocate a bit, Sony is rather infamous for data breaches, more so than most other online account services or social media etc. Sure, most people complaining about this probably have some sort of other online presence, but trusting one company with your data doesn't necessarily make you a hypocrite for not trusting all of them...
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Post by Whizzo on May 6, 2024 14:00:03 GMT
The first lesson any company should learn from that, something that's been pretty much a rule in every IT support job I've had, is you don't make changes on a Friday. They didn't implement it but announcing it at the end of the week so it festers for a weekend is very, very stupid.
Anyhow, it was always a requirement to link PSN and Steam, it was temporarily turned off to cope with the networking issues with the launch and was always meant to be there. I imagine now what'll happen is this will be the last PS5/PC multiplayer game where it's even an option not to have a PSN account. Ghost of Tsushima needs one to play Legends mode (as PSN does all the matchmaking etc and also incorporates the PlayStation overlay that gives trophy and friends information), you'll be able to play the main game without it as it's a single player title.
As for Helldivers 2, I really wouldn't be too surprised that features get added that require account linking like cross-progression and a social tab that fucking works properly, as well as giveaways of cosmetic stuff that you can only acquire from the PlayStation store.
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Post by Duffking on May 6, 2024 14:26:01 GMT
Tbh, unless you're storing your credit card details with your PSN account (and if you're making one to play HD2 then you're not) I'm not really sure what harm a data breach could cause you anyway really, the kind of data that'd be out there would just be the same stuff the rest of the services you're signed up to sell to advertisers on a daily basis anyway  |
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Post by Tuffty on May 6, 2024 16:42:40 GMT
I'll prob be proven wrong, but if making a PS account was a huge issue for data privacy, there's nothing to stop people from making an account with fake details is there?
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Post by Jambowayoh on May 6, 2024 19:35:18 GMT
I'll prob be proven wrong, but if making a PS account was a huge issue for data privacy, there's nothing to stop people from making an account with fake details is there? /Waves My Spanish account has a made up name and my address listed as Barcelona airport. |
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Post by stixxuk on May 6, 2024 19:42:41 GMT
But seriously the game is incredible.
Most fun I've had playing online with randoms in a great many years. It's a hell of an achievement!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2024 19:53:18 GMT
Game of the gen behind Returnal. Might even top L4D as my favourite online co-op.
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Post by Tuffty on May 6, 2024 21:27:13 GMT
It's the closest anything's come to L4D, due to the similarities I suppose. Just no frills co op action of insane spectacle, it's so good
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Post by Whizzo on May 7, 2024 16:56:57 GMT
They're even worse now that the bug that showed them in foggy/smokey conditions is fixed. Finding a lair has to be top priority when they show up. Handily while they can go invisible any fire they have on them can't so I'll be switching to incendiary impact grenades when they become available next week for high level bug missions. As an addendum to this, stalkers will also still be visible if they've got snow on them, so fire and ice - the stalker's enemy! |
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on May 8, 2024 10:15:58 GMT
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Post by Whizzo on May 8, 2024 10:20:02 GMT
Nice bit of timing last night got my second 100 SuperCredits stash just before the new warbond tomorrow, definitely more likely to be found on lower difficulties (under 4) as the loot table won't have rare samples in them. I'm a quarter of the way to next month's warbond before I've got the 300 that'll be in tomorrows!
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Post by baihu1983 on May 8, 2024 19:19:23 GMT
They should have seen this coming..
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