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Post by simple on Mar 31, 2024 18:55:06 GMT
The tribalism is such a waste of energy like I’m sure both WWE and AEW fans have accused Edge of being a hasbeen and on the form of his career over the last two or three years for example. And he’s actually been pretty consistent across both promotions, just the label on the inside of his merch has changed.
There’s a case to be made that WWE has the momentum now but I’m just happy there is the option of good stuff almost every night of the week.
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Post by captbirdseye on Mar 31, 2024 19:02:57 GMT
In terms of actual matches, AEW is consistently the better the product but everything else is just meh. I can't even imagine TK managing a similar storyline to The Rock in AEW.
Talking of The Rock, is he totally off after Mania? If so, it'll be interesting to see how they handle this especially when it's been the only interesting storyline for WWE.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 31, 2024 19:06:08 GMT
Unfortunately the biggest period in the medium coincided with two companies going blow for blow to win a monopoly over it, so it's almost as if history has to repeat itself or the whole thing is a waste of time.
There's also an unnecessary amount of value given to the attitude era in modern day terms. The attitude era essentially boiled down to seeing what Stone Cold or The Rock were up to every week and if some of the other stuff was also quite good, great. Below that there was an awful lot of tasteless, horrendously bad television over that period. No one was tuning in next week to see what D'Lo Brown or Mark Henry's Hand baby was up to or who was going to bleed next. If you need to see two people attempt to contract Hepatitis in 2024 to be entertained you've got bigger problems than someone making fun of the TV programme you like.
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Post by baihu1983 on Mar 31, 2024 19:06:18 GMT
I reckon he's doing something at Summerslam. Maybe him vs Cody for the title?
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Post by baihu1983 on Mar 31, 2024 19:09:59 GMT
Unfortunately the biggest period in the medium coincided with two companies going blow for blow to win a monopoly over it, so it's almost as if history has to repeat itself or the whole thing is a waste of time. There's also an unnecessary amount of value given to the attitude era in modern day terms. The attitude era essentially boiled down to seeing what Stone Cold or The Rock were up to every week and if some of the other stuff was also quite good, great. Below that there was an awful lot of tasteless, horrendously bad television over that period. No one was tuning in next week to see what D'Lo Brown or Mark Henry's Hand baby was up to or who was going to bleed next. If you need to see two people attempt to contract Hepatitis in 2024 to be entertained you've got bigger problems than someone making fun of the TV programme you like. So much has aged poorly. It's actually pretty shocking how bad a lot of the PPVs are and some of them are literally held together by segments involving Austin and so on in between dreadful matches. That era also has what for me is still the worst ref bump set up ever. Prizes for whoever guesses it. (Not really)
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Post by captbirdseye on Mar 31, 2024 19:15:33 GMT
The Rock/Bloodline stuff has been pretty great even after a patchy start, but The Rocks ego has basically made Regins a chump and he's buried Cody for months now. So whoever wins out of Reigns/Cody is will just a bit meh.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 31, 2024 19:38:23 GMT
I think WWE is on a good trajectory right now because they've finally realized there can be more than one Star of the Show. This is turn will stand them in good stead when those stars end up feuding with each other.
I think the Roman thing has actually been very good. As I say I've only really been a very casual viewer but you can see his whole schtick is being the paranoid leader who doesn't like being undermined. It's going to lead to more after the match with Cody Rhodes at wrestle mania than just 'Bad Guy gets rematch after Good Guy overcomes the odds'. The Rock being the guy undermining is just a bonus as he can actually walk the walk of taking the attention away from him.
This is what for me makes wrestling more interesting than just 2 guys having a match and then maybe let's have a rematch later. It's why we bounced off that AEW, it's just a bunch of matches and people genuinely hurting each other without much of the pageantry that makes it interesting to watch or mean anything beyond a couple of blokes doing a dance routine.
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Post by Resident Knievel on Mar 31, 2024 19:38:55 GMT
Deary me this thread
I can't speak to what happens in the other corners of the Internet but I'm less inclined to post anything about AEW much here anymore in case it provokes tiresome brain-sharts.
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Post by baihu1983 on Mar 31, 2024 19:39:03 GMT
Both Roman and Rock are on Raw tomorrow. They have 2 shows to remind everyone who's the champ otherwise I'm expecting night 2 to end with Roman/Rock to do a Bret/Hogan as Cody's in the ring with the belt.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2024 19:40:48 GMT
Yeah, I think the whole Roman story is his being overshadowed by Rocky, and Roman finally snapping and turning on him to assert his dominance. For that reason, I see Summerslam being Rock vs Roman rather than Rock vs Cody.
They built the whole Bloodline/Head of the Table/Tribal Chief storyline for too long for them to just undermine it at the finish line.
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Post by baihu1983 on Mar 31, 2024 19:49:53 GMT
I did think SS but reckon he will want it at WM. But the guys 51 and hasn't had a match in how long? Can't help think Roman is going to have to do most of the match on night 1. And if they win is the title match just going to be a brawl right off our the usual wait for all the interference? Cause surely it makes 0 sense to have them not involved right away?
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Mar 31, 2024 19:56:19 GMT
Most of his memorable feuds during his title reign have been against people who were undermining his position as top dog. I think it's quite logical that it 'ends' that way. As long as they don't do a Hulk Hogan v Sting with the end of the match they will all come out fine with interesting things to move onto next.
I might watch wrestle mania but the biggest issue I have had when watching it with my lad is how much of it there is for us to get through. It's like 5 hours out of your week at a bare minimum unless you want to cherry pick, which requires a fair bit of research to know what bits you want/need to YouTube anyway. I know oversaturation is the name of the game with most media these days, but it absolutely takes the piss.
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Post by baihu1983 on Mar 31, 2024 20:08:23 GMT
Think last years shows went back to 4hrs which is still long considering it's 2 nights plus you have NXTs show about 5hrs before Night 1. Then you have SD/HoF and Raw either side and yeah it's a lot. Think it's played a part in killing the Raw after WM crowd.
My main issue is the amount of commercials now. Remember last year just before Edge/Finn they chucked in a Russell Crowe The Pope's Exorcist clip to make out it was to do with Finns The Demon character. Just came off really strange. Elimination Chamber had about 10 minutes worth of please come to Australia ads.
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Post by rawshark on Mar 31, 2024 20:18:28 GMT
To be honest I just watch the Road to Wrestlemania PPVs and Botchamania these days. Although I do dip into AEW for word of mouth matches. I’m just too time poor these days to watch much more than that.
Given half the chance I’d snap up seats at either company’s event if I could. Hell, a local wrestling group does regular shows at the local leisure centre - I’d take that if I could get an evening off.
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Post by richardiox on Mar 31, 2024 23:33:25 GMT
Yeah, sorry to turn this thread into Wrestle-Twitter - especially on this most sacred of weeks amongst fans of the sport. Forgive me Hogan for I have sinned.
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Post by baihu1983 on Apr 1, 2024 3:33:58 GMT
Was really hoping HHH taking over would mean no more Hogan but
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Post by zisssou on Apr 1, 2024 9:48:29 GMT
. I'd wager the reason their metrics are dipping in every conceivable area is because the few viewers who are of the more casual variety have been chased off. and it wouldn't surprise me if it's hardcore fanbase has a lot to do with that. It's hostile and navel gazing as fuck from what I've seen. It’s like.. why should I care about Shibata? Who is he? I’ve been watching wrestling for 35 years, so I’m not exactly a casual, and sure, I can do my research, but I don’t watch every promotion. If you want me to get invested in the guy.. how about building him to be a big deal? Or if he’s not part of the roster, then fuck him off, as you’ve got more than enough talent. It’s why I mentioned the Cardona/ Adam match. Again Cardona is not part of the roster. It’s a small pop. No real build up, so feels wasted. Then a bunch of guys run in and you forget the match.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Apr 1, 2024 10:19:14 GMT
From what I understand he suffered a serious brain/head injury at some point? and so he comes over to little fanfare or knowledge to get potatoed in some fake tough guy striking duels that hasn't really given their business any sort of upswing. If wrestlers constantly dying in their 30's and 40's should have taught anyone anything, it's that they need saving from themselves sometimes. Not encouraging.
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Post by Resident Knievel on Apr 1, 2024 13:54:40 GMT
This is hostile and naval gazing as fuck
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Apr 1, 2024 15:21:06 GMT
I see you've taken the victim approach I mentioned earlier.
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Post by Resident Knievel on Apr 1, 2024 15:58:10 GMT
~Checkmate~
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Post by baihu1983 on Apr 1, 2024 15:59:43 GMT
Okay then.... most hated wrestler?
Hogan or Ryback?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2024 16:02:06 GMT
Goldberg.
Hogan, like Flair, still has a lot of fans outside the IWC. And Ryback has become so goofy in his post-wrestling career that people like his stupid stories.
Goldberg is Goldberg.
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Post by Resident Knievel on Apr 1, 2024 16:02:55 GMT
But seriously, it's great that folks are able to have nuanced discussion about WWE here and get in to what they like and don't like about it.
It's not really possible to do the same with AEW, mostly just people complaining about AEW fans on social media and regurgitating opinions from awful podcasts hosted by (almost) the worst people wrestling has to offer.
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Post by baihu1983 on Apr 1, 2024 16:15:51 GMT
Goldberg. Hogan, like Flair, still has a lot of fans outside the IWC. And Ryback has become so goofy in his post-wrestling career that people like his stupid stories. Goldberg is Goldberg. The hate Bret has for him is truly special.
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Post by baihu1983 on Apr 1, 2024 17:02:46 GMT
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Post by rawshark on Apr 1, 2024 17:15:16 GMT
Okay then.... most hated wrestler? Hogan or Ryback? In terms of blanket hate across the IWC surely Eva Marie would get a shout in?
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Post by simple on Apr 1, 2024 17:44:49 GMT
Goldberg. Hogan, like Flair, still has a lot of fans outside the IWC. And Ryback has become so goofy in his post-wrestling career that people like his stupid stories. Goldberg is Goldberg. The hate Bret has for him is truly special. Bret is my all time number one but I also love the Goldberg character. Its such a perfect gimmick and that entrance is undeniable.
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Post by simple on Apr 1, 2024 17:51:15 GMT
Besides we all know wrestling peaked a decade ago
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Post by pizzacrunch on Apr 1, 2024 18:18:12 GMT
Besides we all know wrestling peaked a decade ago What was it's rating though?
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