Call of Duty MWIII (2023)

I always like it for my HC TDM fix, nobody gets close to the feel of the guns for an online shooter. Haven't played the campaigns for a while though.

For the most part I liked the missions. I didn’t like the shoehorning of Warzone stuff like crafting into the campaign very much, the final mission seemed like it lost momentum because of it. I also didn’t like the tank boss fight and the daft Fast and Furious jumping across cars thing. Yeah there was quite a few moments in that campaign that fell flat. It had an air of ‘new mission, new mechanic’ didn’t it? Whereas the MW19 campaign was just focused and terrific.

I’m a bit worried that there’s so little campaign info available right now.

The MP beta seems to have been very well received although even for COD there seems to be so much recycling of assets.

I find Call of Duty rather problematic. The systematic racism within it's core narrative is rather troubling.

Very little interest in the remastered MP maps, and Warzone just can't touch Apex for me at this point with almost 4 years of Apex played.
I do enjoy a bit of Ground War, which sort of feels like classic Battlefield but with modern control and response. And the gunplay is very good, with the constant exception of everyone always jumping around corners and sniper quick-scoping that they'll just never address (these two things really impact on the 6v6 MP to the point that I just can't do it anymore, it's awful).

I'll play the SP at some point but I'm in no rush, especially at launch prices.

That doesn't mean it's more than a rumour though. It's certainly got as full a feature set as a full priced release would have.

Because when it got moved from expansion to box product release they assigned a bunch of other work to it. Now it is what it is, but it wasn't intended to be packaged this way.

The rumours for a Sledgehammer dev'd expansion originated prior to the MW2 launch, and they weren't from Schreier.
Schreier is literally the most reputable industry journo going. I'm fairly confident that his tweeted info is accurate (he wasn't stating it as a rumour, it was very much as fact with his "let me make this super clear", and if he was called out to be wrong he would have made a retraction or correction), but it's largely irrelevant at this point regardless.

The question will be around whether the content is good enough for the purchase price as is, not how they were intended.

That would be a very weird choice. And I would have thought everyone would have made articles about it.

Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere personally, so I'm assuming it's not the case.

So Warzone stays apparently. So four game modes including the campaign. I scarcely think that you can ever accuse COD of not being good value tbh. Looks like Zombies will be on a Warzone type map too.

Warzone itself never caught for me. I enjoyed it once (with user @frog and his mate) and then I did enjoy it - I think it really relies on comms and at my age and with family stuff, chores and other hobbies arranging regular game time with IRLers is hard.

I also didn’t like the PVP element of Warzone. Loved the PVE and wish it was all like that. Zombies apparently is.

I reckon it would make sense the ‘open missions’ will likely be based on the Warzone assets. Perhaps this is the holdout from the DLC thing but I think it’s almost certainly been expanded on if true. There will likely I think be the usual tight narrative stuff, can’t imagine Terminal coming back and not having a level built around that.

The politics of COD I agree is a discussion that I’d rather not see derail the thread if possible. I’m just role playing an action film basically for the spectacle and the excitement. Don’t really need to be judged for that - of course CIA backed special forces do not necessarily represent the views of the player. I’ve been tempted to comment on the politics of all the Black Metal stuff in the metal thread for instance but I just don’t think it’s necessary - people are just consuming entertainment or art.

I do think a thread on these topics (maybe a multi purpose separating art from artist thread?) could be a good read.

www.pcgamer.com/modern-warfare-3-is-bringing-back-warzones-most-beloved-map-but-not-in-the-way-youre-hoping/

Maybe not all but they are using that map for some missions, I don't know how many as I remember in a preview they talked about missions that were more open world in how you approached them and it looked exactly like a Warzone map with the icons on the AI in bases like Warzone. They said that those missions would be mixed with strictly linear missions.

Ahh, ok. Still a bit shit - the game seems to be a lot of reused content from various places - but not as bad as I thought. I got wires crossed and thought you meant the whole campaign would just take place across the Warzone map

I actually haven't even tried MW2 campaign, which i suppose i should.

I got lost in the DMZ and never made it out for many seasons. Except for all the exfills, but I always went back.

I love that mode so much.

I loved dmz until it just ended up 6 man squads everywhere. Completely ruined the game. I quite often fancied my chances against a 3 man squad but as a solo against 6 unless you are phixate or someone like that you are basically fucked.

Yes, for my money probably the best single player shooter campaign of its type. Although I did think Cold War actually gave it a run for its money. That was so good.

There is actually a preview of a single player mission on YT - some sort of MGS style submarine infil to a castle prison, that looks kinda similar to the castle gulag in the original MW2. It looks good.

Just had a quick look at a guide for the MW2 campaign and I think it’s worth a go if you haven’t finished it. I reckon there’s definitely more good than bad. The ‘crafting’ missions (there are 2) I actually think the first long one was great, it was the finale mission that was a bit gash.