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May 8, 2023 20:08:29 GMT
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Post by oldschoolsavant on May 8, 2023 20:08:29 GMT
Aha. But is that as a result of all the masculine bullshit that's shaped her ?
That was definitely the theme of Barry initially, twisting our notions of masculinity and associated toxcity, and I kinda like how it's spun around to Sally - see the last episode where she has the chops, but not the looks. The pity job offer because it's all she'll get. Pure patriarchal bullshit or just "the way it is" ? Learned to hate that phrase now.
We haven't really seen her past, know bits about the abusive relationship prior to Barry, and seeking similar with him is a hallmark, and is on the nose with generational trauma and CPTSD which are hot topics right now.
My thought tonight after watching is recurring: if she does end up killing Barry, can we blame her ? Still mulling that over.
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May 8, 2023 21:06:37 GMT
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Post by Tuffty on May 8, 2023 21:06:37 GMT
A pretty grim episode but I felt for John most of all. Poor kid is being constantly gaslit. Cant help but feel Gene has something planned we dont know about beyond looking for fame again. Has to be worth the risk of drawing Barry out of hiding obviously.
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May 9, 2023 20:48:38 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on May 9, 2023 20:48:38 GMT
I'm guessing, Moss dad is involved in Gene coming out of hiding knowing it will lure Barry out Aha. But is that as a result of all the masculine bullshit that's shaped her ?
That was definitely the theme of Barry initially, twisting our notions of masculinity and associated toxcity, and I kinda like how it's spun around to Sally - see the last episode where she has the chops, but not the looks. The pity job offer because it's all she'll get. Pure patriarchal bullshit or just "the way it is" ? Learned to hate that phrase now.
We haven't really seen her past, know bits about the abusive relationship prior to Barry, and seeking similar with him is a hallmark, and is on the nose with generational trauma and CPTSD which are hot topics right now.
My thought tonight after watching is recurring: if she does end up killing Barry, can we blame her ? Still mulling that over. Can't find the video i watched last year which goes into good detail on her but basically, She doesn't really care about Barry except when she can gain something and uses him from the moment she realises he likes her when they are at the bar in Episode 1. Only supports his acting when she can benefit from it.
She's abusive to him many times while he is going out of his way to be nice to her. Very self centered throughout her acting career and refuses to accept being wrong.(see the debate and fallout in regards to if Barry was bad for killing people in the army). Her past has shaped her but she's by no means a victim in what we've seen.
Psycho wise just see her meltdowns at her assistant/rival and how she kills the biker and wanted to kill again.
If I can find the video I'll post it as it does a really good job talking about her character and I agreed with it all. This is a rare show in which I've enjoyed every character in it.
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May 15, 2023 16:42:04 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on May 15, 2023 16:42:04 GMT
Hoping they actually explain what happened at the house while Sally was locked in the room. Guessing it's her guilt at drinking and making her son drunk?
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May 15, 2023 20:29:41 GMT
Post by oldschoolsavant on May 15, 2023 20:29:41 GMT
It's what I suspected, a brillant translation of past unresolved trauma. Think the guy she tried to strangle ramming the house was real, but that brought her straight into a flashback of her past, I presume between father/mother and how that manifests in her mind at that moment. Chills when I saw the black figure, knew exactly where we were going. Her drinking is a result of her father's exact same behaviour, and she's doing the same to her kid. And it's that shadow of generational trauma that's led Sally to who she is. She herself is abusive and seeks abusive relationships because it's all she's known. If you don't know what healthy is, what it looks like, how it feels, you'll be drawn to what's familiar, even if it's wrong and bad for you. You'll justify it internally with shame and denial, until it explodes in breakdowns and outbursts and addiction. Which you then pass on down to your children, who do the same, and the cycle repeats... Similar themes for NoHo and his guilt/denial of Cristobal's death, the weird idolising company. Gene and his narcissism in reappearing, to shut down the film but secretly "hey, look at me, I'm back". Fuchs trying to be a 'good guy', now making peace with the arsehole he is, and embracing the criminality. Weird with the barrista and daughter, but okay. And here's us enjoying the entertainment of a cast who clearly all need therapy. We're just part of it too, 'cause we're not as fucked up as them, right ? Anyway, loved the radio pastor cameo (BB), and saw the angry father return a mile off. Whether Gene knew he was there, with the door setup, I dunno. Two to go, and will Barry be speaking German by the end ? (no)
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Post by Tuffty on May 17, 2023 11:27:03 GMT
Think it also ties back to the biker that Sally killed last season. Same sort of thing happened, home invasion, choking, think she even hears something like "Did you just stab my eye?" which is what she did to him. Clearly PTSD she hasn't gotten over and wasn't allowed to as Barry told her to put the blame of it on him
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May 17, 2023 15:57:16 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on May 17, 2023 15:57:16 GMT
I just realised that... the biker is the guy looking at her from behind the plane seat. Also sat in the audience when she's trying to teach acting class I think Gene might be the only one alive/ living on the outside when this all ends.
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May 22, 2023 10:20:42 GMT
Post by oldschoolsavant on May 22, 2023 10:20:42 GMT
Oh, a humourous touch returns ! Little bit lighter, and a little bit messier. I wasn't too keen on Moss, that in all his dedicated fastidious pursuits, wouldn't tie Barry's legs to the chair but that was about it. Can't wait to see the Marky Mark cameo in the grande finale !
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May 22, 2023 17:34:14 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on May 22, 2023 17:34:14 GMT
Very good episode and yeah more blatant comedy.
I've found every episode to have 1 or 2 jokes but it's very much toned down over the last 2 seasons. Still feels like it has a fair bit to wrap up in the last episode.
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May 23, 2023 19:24:50 GMT
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Post by dfunked on May 23, 2023 19:24:50 GMT
Oh, a humourous touch returns ! Little bit lighter, and a little bit messier. I wasn't too keen on Moss, that in all his dedicated fastidious pursuits, wouldn't tie Barry's legs to the chair but that was about it. I presumed he was thinking a few moves ahead and did that on purpose. To allow Barry to get to the carefully placed knife with a blade coated in some sort of sedative, which he inevitably slips and cuts himself with when jimmying the door. Felt way too obvious to be an oversight. I've got no idea what his bigger plan is mind you! Yeah, solid episode with a welcome return of a bit of humour. The mention of the raven cracked me up.
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May 23, 2023 19:40:53 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on May 23, 2023 19:40:53 GMT
My guess is he wants.. Barry to lead them to the others or something in particular One thing I think is just an oversight is.. Why isn't Hank calling in the Chechens to deal with Fuches?
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Post by Mark1412 on May 23, 2023 21:19:23 GMT
30 minutes to wrap this up?! Mad. Hank's commentary on the assassins was great 😅
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May 24, 2023 10:06:23 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on May 24, 2023 10:06:23 GMT
Loved the heads in the box scene
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May 24, 2023 12:25:06 GMT
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on May 24, 2023 12:25:06 GMT
Why am I still opening them?
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May 24, 2023 12:27:06 GMT
Post by oldschoolsavant on May 24, 2023 12:27:06 GMT
FOMO ?
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May 28, 2023 21:33:16 GMT
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Post by geefe on May 28, 2023 21:33:16 GMT
Caught up. Slightly annoyed I got the timing wrong and thought I'd have them all now. I must be the only one who thinks going darker has been to the show's benefit. Series 3 and 4 have been really good.
On PTSD - a neighbour is a pretty important psychologist and explained it all to me. It is true that people really do just block things out. Absolutely mad.
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May 29, 2023 3:24:38 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on May 29, 2023 3:24:38 GMT
Yeah I don't mind the change in tone as the show went on. Good ending though I do feel it could have benefited from an extra 10 minutes. the documentary on the events was spot on Hollywood BS.
Though i do feel the way Gene was throughout the show be would have been more willing to clear his name.
Fuches surviving was unexpected
And nice move on the older version of John
Main thing that bugged me in S4 was actually the fact that.. Barry's army buddy from 3 just disappeared when you would think he would get involved again.
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May 29, 2023 7:11:16 GMT
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on May 29, 2023 7:11:16 GMT
I dunno about this season. Even if I thought the tone shift worked 100%, it still felt rushed to me.
Like, wtf happened to Fuches this season? He sort of explained it at the end, but his character was aaaaall over the place. As were most of the characters, tbh. It felt like two seasons of development smooshed into one.
Still a brilliant series though. Even if I don't think it quite stuck the landing, I'd still recommend it in a heartbeat.
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May 29, 2023 15:08:31 GMT
Post by oldschoolsavant on May 29, 2023 15:08:31 GMT
"wow" indeed. They did my boy dirty poor Gene, with that ham English actor. The title moment was beautifully played, setting up that he'd shot himself, and at first I thought the bullet had travelled through the wall, two birds one stone.
But noooo. Perfect.
As for Fuches, is it that Noho finally admitted/stopped denying his part with Cristobal, whereas Fuches accepting he's evil hasn't quite taken, and he still runs away with some denial on his part ? Or that he's realised that he's no longer needed as Barry's 'only' family, now he has a son ?
Feel the shot of Sally's bouquet resting on the car seat was symbolic of it resting on a gravestone, that part of her life with Barry now dead, but also the death she caused, whether more denial or she's made her peace ? Needed a bit more with that tbh.
And John, who'll need therapy at some point down the line, that childhood confession by Sally conflicting with the Holwood revision spinning in his head, probably about his early 30s lol. So yeah, can't really complain, satisfying and definitely up there as a complete show. Something something glorifying the act of a murdering hitman for entertainment yadda yadda, with bonus Fonz and trauma. Lots of trauma. And baihu, for your 2nd spoiler, I hate to tell you but I presumed Barry killed him. Wasn't that final scene between them before he went to Gene and the Moss trap ?
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May 29, 2023 15:46:31 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on May 29, 2023 15:46:31 GMT
Think the last meeting was him breaking down and begging for forgiveness and the guy just left him?
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May 29, 2023 20:24:26 GMT
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Post by dfunked on May 29, 2023 20:24:26 GMT
Well that was an OK ending to an OK season... It all felt a bit rushed and probably could've done with an extra episode, or at least a longer final episode.
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May 29, 2023 20:44:47 GMT
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on May 29, 2023 20:44:47 GMT
There's a podcast where Hader mentions seasons 3 and 4 were written at the same time, essentially one long season split into 2.
Anyway I enjoyed it, though i felt the first few episodes were the strongest.
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Post by geefe on May 29, 2023 21:29:22 GMT
Hmmm very rushed. Considering I felt this series was heading to be one of the strongest it just sort of called time very quickly.
I can't help but think that this was meant to be series 4 and 5. Wonder if it wasn't getting the ratings so they rushed it.
Oh and that scene in the shop. 20 seconds and it sums up America.
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May 29, 2023 21:53:49 GMT
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Post by Tuffty on May 29, 2023 21:53:49 GMT
Very much a Barry way to end the series. I really like the show overall, but agree maybe it could have done with the finale at least being made a little longer.
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May 29, 2023 21:55:12 GMT
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Post by geefe on May 29, 2023 21:55:12 GMT
Whenever Barry isn't on screen, all the other characters should be saying "where's Barry?"
Sums up the series.
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May 30, 2023 5:00:51 GMT
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Post by oldschoolsavant on May 30, 2023 5:00:51 GMT
Think the last meeting was him breaking down and begging for forgiveness and the guy just left him? Oh shit, that's right. I just remember the hard cut to the next scene, forgot about that. He wasn't the greatest character anyway, when we already had Moss. Yup, that following shot just casually walking through the other departments, perfect. Trying to get in the car too, without taking any off. And it's been consistent throughout the show, lots of great shots/pans/setup, great technical aspects that serve as well as the comedy.
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May 30, 2023 6:42:18 GMT
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Post by baihu1983 on May 30, 2023 6:42:18 GMT
The gun scene might have been the most perfect dark comedy shot the shows done.
Think I would go, S1 9/10 S2 10/10 S3 10/10 S4 9/10
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May 30, 2023 8:54:57 GMT
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on May 30, 2023 8:54:57 GMT
I think the last series is a 7 for me. Not terrible, but a bit of a mess.
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May 30, 2023 9:10:31 GMT
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Post by geefe on May 30, 2023 9:10:31 GMT
Series 3 was the peak. First two were pretty good but series 4 definitely needed to either be longer or split over 2. Bit of a rush job.
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May 31, 2023 17:23:34 GMT
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