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Post by britesparc on Feb 13, 2024 11:29:07 GMT
When we were discussing the end credit stings last week, I went through - massive nerd that I am - and made a list of what was teased in the end credits of every MCU movie.
And, yes, for most of the first two Phases they used the end credits to set up the next MCU film. However, there were a few - and I'd say it increased as they went on - that chose to set up the sequel to the film you'd just watched. Ant-Man shows us the Wasp costume, Guardians 2 reveals Adam Warlock, etc.
The problem they have now is they do this sequel-bait but we've got no idea when the sequel will actually happen. There's something cosmic with Shan-Chi's rings? Cool, but when will we see that again? 2027? 2028?
All this is to say that I agree, the length of time between Captain Marvel and The Marvels probably hurt the film as no one apart from massive nerds like me could remember the plot.
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Post by rhaegyr on Feb 13, 2024 11:49:46 GMT
Just to add another perspective - I dropped out just before Age of Ultron because I felt like there was too much to keep up with (and the films around that time weren't all that good).
I've still seen the odd film here and there and whilst they were decent I do feel like I missed out on a lot of in-jokes and references. There's also a bit of "who the fuck is this person and why I am supposed to care"?
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Feb 13, 2024 11:53:19 GMT
The time between films plus they seem to have decided Secret Invasion was all a dream.
You reminded me of Adam Warlock. I guess the comic version was too jacked so a Guardians comedy character is all we get and he's been Poochie'd.
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Post by geefe on Feb 13, 2024 11:59:42 GMT
I watched Doctor Strange 2, most for Sam Raimi and had no idea who the fuck Wanda was or why she was sad. I'd sort of half watched Endgame but couldn't tell you who lived or died, beyond the 2 big obvious ones. Even completely forgot about Johannsen.
I think that's sort of why I like the Holland Spiderman because it's mostly just left to its own devices, save for Three Spidermen and a Baby. But even that was still self contained.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 13, 2024 12:35:43 GMT
It's not that they've done a terrible job of introducing them, or that you're missing out on something huge. But you'd definitely get more out of 3 spiderman and a baby if you'd seen the other spiderman movies and had some attachment to them.
Or you'd get more out of The Flash if you'd seen at least a couple of other batman movies.
It is what it is.
I just think it's a little weird that the Deadpool trailer is doing exactly what a bunch of other recent Marvel movies (And DCU and Star Wars U) have been criticised for, and yet everyone is 'ooooooh shiny!'
(Though as I said, Deadpool operates a bit out of the usual rules).
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 13, 2024 13:08:39 GMT
I think the irreverence helps, plus Reynold's Deadpool is probably the most charismatic performance in the MCU left now.
Plus Jackman, who has given ua probably one of the most loved depictions of a comic book character ever.
So of course it's going to get aot of goodwill. It's maybe similar to the reaction of No Way Home in that regard.
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Post by Derblington on Feb 13, 2024 13:30:07 GMT
The worst thing about it is that I'm going to need to sit though all of the shitty X-men films (basically all of them except Logan) so that the GF is up to speed on it all.
It will be nice when it's all in one place and stops bouncing from series to series.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 13, 2024 13:38:30 GMT
I watched Logan recently and it's a weird film. The fact it's much darker and more grounded and more 'grown up' gives it an aura of being a much better film, plus the action and performances are great. It has some great scenes and moments.
But the actual plot is shit.
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Post by technoish on Feb 13, 2024 14:19:04 GMT
The worst thing about it is that I'm going to need to sit though all of the shitty X-men films (basically all of them except Logan) so that the GF is up to speed on it all. It will be nice when it's all in one place and stops bouncing from series to series. From the costume silhouette it looks like alternative universe wolverine... Not sure there really is much to catch up on for X-Men, it's basically always the same story repeated. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 13, 2024 14:21:07 GMT
You could just watch X2 anyway.
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Post by nazo on Feb 13, 2024 14:22:04 GMT
The Deadpool trailer looks really fun; it's hard to know from a couple of minutes how important the continuity will be. I have no idea who / what the TVA is or if it's been introduced previously but as long as the film doesn't assume I know then it's fine. Dr. Strange 2 was confusing because I knew Wanda from previous films but suddenly her character was completely different for no apparent reason. I pretty much stopped going to the cinema to watch them after that because I felt left behind. It's like that bit in FFXV when one of your party goes off by themselves for a bit then comes back blind but no-one talks about what happened because BUY THE DLC. Fuck that shit. |
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 13, 2024 14:23:29 GMT
The worst thing about it is that I'm going to need to sit though all of the shitty X-men films (basically all of them except Logan) so that the GF is up to speed on it all. It will be nice when it's all in one place and stops bouncing from series to series. Can she not watch them without you? |
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Post by britesparc on Feb 13, 2024 14:32:47 GMT
This chatter about a spouse watching all the X-Men films reminds me of a woman I met at work last year.
She'd recently started seeing someone who loved the MCU, and she hadn't seen any of them. So she started watching them all in chronological order. Because she was never interested before she never followed any of the pop culture conversation around them, so she really did not know anything that happened, she was going in totally blind like the films had just come out. What's more is she'd actually gotten really into it so she was approaching them all like a fan on release day.
Anyway, the day she was telling me all this, we were in a pub waiting for other friends, and she said she was up to Endgame and really excited to find out how it ends. Another friend arrived, overhead that she was about to watch Endgame, and immediately blurted out, "I love that film! I cried so much when Tony died!"
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 13, 2024 14:45:06 GMT
I was expecting that to end with he broke up with her just after she caught up.
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Post by Derblington on Feb 13, 2024 14:45:51 GMT
The worst thing about it is that I'm going to need to sit though all of the shitty X-men films (basically all of them except Logan) so that the GF is up to speed on it all. It will be nice when it's all in one place and stops bouncing from series to series. From the costume silhouette it looks like alternative universe wolverine... Not sure there really is much to catch up on for X-Men, it's basically always the same story repeated. It's more that it's going to have cameos and things from the previous movies, as it'll effectively end them all and bring about the MCU Mutant phase. Beast being present in the mid-credit Marvels was another moment of it. Maybe it won't be as relevant as the Spider-man movies before No way Home though. She is able but she wouldn't, no. |
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Post by simple on Feb 13, 2024 14:47:26 GMT
The worst thing about it is that I'm going to need to sit though all of the shitty X-men films (basically all of them except Logan) so that the GF is up to speed on it all. It will be nice when it's all in one place and stops bouncing from series to series. From what I can tell theyāre probably jettisoning the whole thing. Although you have reminded me that Iāve been meaning to watch New Mutants since about September so maybe Iāll do that soon if my Gen X binge starts to wane Edit: as in grunge themed films not Marvelās Generation X. Although they were the comic book successors to the New Mutants in a lot of ways. |
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Post by myk on Feb 13, 2024 14:52:32 GMT
This chatter about a spouse watching all the X-Men films reminds me of a woman I met at work last year. She'd recently started seeing someone who loved the MCU, and she hadn't seen any of them. So she started watching them all in chronological order. Because she was never interested before she never followed any of the pop culture conversation around them, so she really did not know anything that happened, she was going in totally blind like the films had just come out. What's more is she'd actually gotten really into it so she was approaching them all like a fan on release day. Anyway, the day she was telling me all this, we were in a pub waiting for other friends, and she said she was up to Endgame and really excited to find out how it ends. Another friend arrived, overhead that she was about to watch Endgame, and immediately blurted out, "I love that film! I cried so much when Tony died!" My worst one for that was spoiling who the Mother was in How I Met Your Mother to a friend deep into the final series. When talking about a role I thought she'd played but didn't (got her confused with Rosa Salazar out of Alita: Battle Angel, which was doubly awkward as he'd worked on that film and knew straight away I was wrong). |
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Post by simple on Feb 13, 2024 14:56:12 GMT
The big one among my friend group was a fellow bookwanker telling everyone on the way into the cinema that Gandalf dies in LOTR then trying to save himself by telling everyone its ok because he comes back in the next part.
Double spoiler before any of us had even seen the first film.
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 13, 2024 14:57:49 GMT
Snape kills...
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Post by myk on Feb 13, 2024 15:01:54 GMT
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 13, 2024 15:04:21 GMT
One of my crowning achievements as a parent was to get the kids all the way through 20 marvel movies without them getting spoilered for Infinity War or Endgame.
Though I like to think that if something similar had happened and someone had spoiled them just before we got to the last two then the judge would have taken the mitigating circumstances into account.
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Post by britesparc on Feb 13, 2024 15:39:14 GMT
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 13, 2024 22:31:36 GMT
Holy shit, the Madame Web reviews are brutal. āThis is the Cats of superhero moviesā sez Rolling Stone
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Post by JuniorFE on Feb 13, 2024 22:43:14 GMT
I dunno, on one hand the ones here aren't particularly positive but not outright scathing (although the sources aren't exactly any big publications AFAIK, either) editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/madame-web-first-reviews/But on the other hand "Not the worst Spider-Man spinoff" includes Morbius, plus the actual reviewer score on RT is 16% at the moment... |
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Post by simple on Feb 13, 2024 22:50:20 GMT
I didnāt hate Morbius
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Post by Whizzo on Feb 13, 2024 23:51:41 GMT
Morbius was okay, certainly not in a hurry to watch it again mind.
Seeing Madame Web tomorrow morning...
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Post by simple on Feb 14, 2024 0:08:54 GMT
I only saw it for the first time when it went up on Netflix a few weeks ago and I think I said then that it felt more like it was dated than necessarily bad. It certainly wasnāt unentertaining. If it had been a contemporary of something like Blade or Underworld in the early-mid 00s almost everything about it would make perfect sense. You wouldnāt even need to change a single thing about how it looks just stick some Evanescence over the film and play Papa Roach when the end credits hit.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 14, 2024 5:14:16 GMT
Madame Web has a good cast, so I'm still kinda holding out hope that it'll be ok.
Like all the Sony spiderman spin-offs, its very existence feels rather unnecessary and desperate though.
Plus it sounds like another timetravel/multiverse thing, which have been done to death at this point. Deadpool excepted (apparently).
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Post by Onny on Feb 14, 2024 5:29:10 GMT
Given in the trailer he literally says āMarvelā and at one point looks like heās fighting in front of a giant ā20th Century Foxā sign I think Deadpool 3 will address all the bollocks head on in its typical 4th wall breaking way. But how confusing it will be.. I donāt know.
I mean, they could even go with a plot where he is literally told the marvel series has been in decline since Endgame and he has to bring wolverine into it to save it. That is feasible. But whether Reynolds is allowed to shit on the rest of the films like that remains to be seen.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 14, 2024 5:30:33 GMT
She Hulk got to shit on some parts of the franchise quite nicely.
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Re Madame Web:
I suspect this is going to be right up my street, given my fondness for janky underdogs.
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