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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 8, 2024 9:01:15 GMT
I think 'franchises' is probably the key word. I think they consider Iron Man a franchise rather than a character, for instance. They set up Kid Iron Man, Kid Hawkeye, Kid Ant Man and Kid Black Widow so they mean we are probably in Avengers reboot territory rather than them trying out anything 'new'.
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Post by simple on Feb 8, 2024 9:25:11 GMT
Makes sense to me. Have a handful of connected stories that matter and you can try and get people invested in rather than spunking $200m on a Moon Knight or Eternals and never mentioning them again.
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 8, 2024 9:29:51 GMT
I’d assume the focus will be on avengers characters and xmen. The dozens of c-list characters will probably be in the background but I can’t see too many of those recently introduced will stay around or headline anything.
The sooner they get rid of the multiverse shit the better too.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 8, 2024 9:54:55 GMT
The sooner they get rid of the multiverse shit the better too. Yep. (despite really enjoying the multiversal spidermans and doc strange) Though I guess the reason comics have so much multiverse shit is because they need to justify continually introducing new versions of characters, even after they've killed them off.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 8, 2024 10:01:47 GMT
It felt like they were going to do that so they could just merge realities and recast the OG characters as they wanted. They may still do that given the end of The Marvels also shows two versions of the same character.
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Post by Reviewer on Feb 8, 2024 10:35:10 GMT
For recasting it makes sense but at the same time they’ve spent so long hinting at it that it’s just irritating. Some one off big event causing it would have been a lot less annoying and given them a chance to move on.
Really I just want more stuff that’s like Iron Man and Captain America. I’ve never been a fan of the arm waving magic sparkles.
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Post by Derblington on Feb 8, 2024 10:39:12 GMT
The recasting via multiverse doesn't make that much sense in-universe. Why would a hero of a specific reality leave it and join another permanently? It only really works for individual cameos in individual movies, unless they start a new Iron Man series in his own universe, but that get's even more confusing really fast.
They need to end the whole Kang/Multiverse story quickly and move on to something better.
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Post by geefe on Feb 8, 2024 11:44:15 GMT
Or just do what Bond does and recast anyway. Good film is a good film.
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Post by simple on Feb 8, 2024 11:50:00 GMT
I wonder if a way to do it with the franchise model would be to say “yes these are in a shared universe but they don’t need to crossover - so here’s an X-Men trilogy and the Kid Avengers but they’re doing their own thing”
Of course that would remove the need to watch 30 movies and a dozen tv shows but there’s clear audience fatigue with that model anyway so something needs to change as its clear Kang isn’t a new Thanos
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 8, 2024 11:54:00 GMT
Why would a hero of a specific reality leave it and join another permanently? For the same reason they always do. The individual pieces are eventually smashed together like play-do to create a new whole which allows you to pick and choose any part to keep or chuck. 'Oh no! The multiverse is collapsing!' *smash cut* 'All of our main characters are now 20 years younger and alive!'
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Feb 8, 2024 12:05:22 GMT
Just make an AI deepfake clone of young RDJ and we can live the golden years all over again. Moving on is for suckers and losers.
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Post by Derblington on Feb 8, 2024 12:14:56 GMT
Why would a hero of a specific reality leave it and join another permanently? For the same reason they always do. The individual pieces are eventually smashed together like play-do to create a new whole which allows you to pick and choose any part to keep or chuck. 'Oh no! The multiverse is collapsing!' *smash cut* 'All of our main characters are now 20 years younger and alive!' But this hasn’t happened. Every time they’ve done multiverse stuff it’s always been stressed that it bad.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 8, 2024 12:16:41 GMT
Hah, ok
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Post by Derblington on Feb 8, 2024 12:31:13 GMT
When it happens I'll concede, but the typical comic book rules don't apply to the films. Comics have multiple lines, stretched decades over monthly writers, with different creative teams.
The movies simply don't work the same way. They can't just recast Iron Man and expect it to be popular again because it's the actor that was liked in the role. The death's are far more permanent because they need to be with real people behind the masks. Animated movies and Comicbooks can be far more lenient and pull all sorts of crap to undo it all. We're pretty conditioned to it there and shrug it off but it would be met with a lot more criticism on screen.
I suspect at some point we'll some recasting, a different world in ruins and a hero step through to attempt to be a hero again, but they won't just recast willy-nilly. They've attempted to set-up a Young Avengers to avoid that problem, and so far everyone that's died is still dead, with no indication that they're coming back. It's just the pessimistic view of people like us that seem to think it's going to happen every time someone exits.
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Post by geefe on Feb 8, 2024 12:34:02 GMT
Deaths*
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Post by Derblington on Feb 8, 2024 12:37:37 GMT
Geefe
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Post by mrpon on Feb 8, 2024 12:45:41 GMT
Poor Willy Nilly, he never gets the parts.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 8, 2024 12:46:06 GMT
I wonder if a way to do it with the franchise model would be to say “yes these are in a shared universe but they don’t need to crossover - so here’s an X-Men trilogy and the Kid Avengers but they’re doing their own thing” Personally I like your suggestion, but the early films, maybe most films, post Endgame have even fairly unconnected and there's been a lot of people bemoaning the fact that there wasn't a clear infinity stone thread tying things together. It's almost like the infinity stone phases created an expectation that everything would crossover, and a fair portion of the audience wouldn't be happy if it didn't.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Feb 8, 2024 12:56:27 GMT
Or they pulled off an amazing feat within cinema history and thought they could do it again not realising until it was too late they didn't have anyone to pick up the slack from the gaping charisma chasm left by Downey Jr, Evans, Johansson et al leaving.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Feb 8, 2024 13:02:49 GMT
Just turn everything into low budget horror, the most consistently profitable genre there is.
A Hulk slasher film. Dr Strange cosmic horror. A mashup between Iron Man and Tetsuo: The Iron Man.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 8, 2024 13:09:32 GMT
Just turn everything into low budget horror, the most consistently profitable genre there is. A Hulk slasher film. Dr Strange cosmic horror. A mashup between Iron Man and Tetsuo: The Iron Man. They did this with the most successful recent Hulk run, turning it into a low-key horror comic rather than him just punching people into orbit. Ironically, as much as I complain about the TV shows, it could actually make a decent horror anthology-esque show.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Feb 8, 2024 13:21:01 GMT
Yeah, I almost wasn't joking. The key financial appeal of horror movies is that they don't cost much to make, they don't need to have big stars, they are popular, and they make shitloads of money as a result.
Even if it's not horror, maybe Marvel movies would benefit from being made with less than a hundred million dollars. Just throw a bunch of weird shit at the wall, if even one of them sticks you'll have made the money back on all the other ones.
I don't know shit about marketing or anything, but to me the problem with Marvel now it's that it's just not cool anymore. Leaning deep into the weird, fucked up shit would make it cool, at least to me. Call it Marvel: Black Label or something. Hire Barry Keoghan to whip out his dick again.
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Post by britesparc on Feb 8, 2024 20:45:10 GMT
I think they should do one big movie a year - an X-Men film or whatever - and then try to keep the other projects small. I don't mean they all have to be Echo, but you could do Hawkeye or Moon Knight or even a Ms Marvel story that's broadly "street level" without enormous CGI enemies.
One big film, one small film, one TV show a year. That's more than enough.
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Post by dfunked on Feb 9, 2024 7:49:33 GMT
Funnily enough the one film they're releasing this year is the first one in ages that I actually want to see, and if it's good I can see myself being a bit more hyped for whatever comes out next year. Less is more sometimes.
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Post by askew on Feb 9, 2024 8:20:01 GMT
Madame Web?
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 9, 2024 8:28:19 GMT
I was confused by the "one film this year" bit as I'd forgotten that were now in 2024.
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Post by simple on Feb 9, 2024 8:35:31 GMT
Although there are four pencilled in for 2025 in case anyone starts missing them
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Feb 9, 2024 9:08:27 GMT
One big film, one small film, one TV show a year. That's more than enough. Not for them its not. They have to prop up a streaming service that is already hemorrhaging subscribers. Its going to be a smart person who manages to find the balance between the cadence of the content drops and them not being shit because 'quantity not quality' has very much not worked for them.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Feb 9, 2024 9:11:29 GMT
Which film is coming out this year?
*googles*
Oh, Howard the Duck! Deadpool
I will enjoy Deadpool, but I can't say I particularly care about it.
2025 is looking a bit dodgy, but maybe a 1 year break from all the main MCU stuff will give it a needed freshness.
Fantastic Four (2025) Thunderbolts (2025) Blade (2025) Avengers 5 (2026) (plus 3 unannounced films) Avengers: Secret Wars (2027)
Fantastic 4 has great potential, but it's not exactly been a big success so far. Maybe they'll finally get it right. Thunderbolts - I actually like most of the characters/actors, but it does give an impression of being rather b-list. Blade - Blade 1 is one of my fave superhero movies, and Ali is a great actor, but I'm really not sure it's going to work and the production has been a mess.
No idea what the Avengers movies are gonna be about.
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Post by britesparc on Feb 9, 2024 11:39:40 GMT
One big film, one small film, one TV show a year. That's more than enough. Not for them its not. They have to prop up a streaming service that is already hemorrhaging subscribers. Its going to be a smart person who manages to find the balance between the cadence of the content drops and them not being shit because 'quantity not quality' has very much not worked for them. The thing is, Iger seems to have concluded that it's just not worth creating expensive new content for D+, so I don't think we're going to see anywhere near the amount of MCU stuff on there in future. I reckon once the in-production shows are done, there'll only be one new thing a year, and even then I think it'll either be more on the scale of Echo or Daredevil (as in, relatively cheap street-level series) and/or something that could have a home on their regular network TV stations. I think they're going to try to take it back to the "glory days" of the early MCU where you had at the most three films a year.
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