Marvel Cinematic Universe

I suppose the problem is that, ironically, they made a massive song and dance about this guy being exactly the same person in every universe.

But then you can just . Its the perfect in-universe get out of jail free card.

I still don't think it's specifically the multiverse that's the issue. The two most successful films post-Endgame were both about the multiverse (and you could argue Loki is the best-received TV show, too).

I reckon it's more that it's all loosey-goosey and doesn't feel like it's going anywhere. Every other "Phase" built to a big Avengers climax, these sort of peter out and wash over one another.

It's bad enough that we get all these celeb cameos in the post-credit stings, but even something like Shang-Chi has just stopped with no further reference at all. If he pops up again, in Shang-Chi 2 or an Avengers movie, they'll need to do a Marvels-style recap reminding people who he is.

Hopefully one day we'll get a fascinating oral history of "The Multiverse Saga".

I'd be fascinated to know why, because all the way through the first three phases one film teased the next the vast majority of the time. Since then it's all been up in the air and felt unconnected. Which would have been fine too, I guess, if they were focused on introducing new characters and not necessarily bringing them together.

I do wonder if things like Covid knocked their whole schedule out of whack, forcing them to delay or rearrange things much more seriously than we've been told. Because even if you weren't building to a new Avengers team, why not at least lead up to a huge movie like No Way Home as your phase-capper? Why not have, say, the Ten Rings from Shang-Chi lead into a post-credit sting that sets up whatserface, the baddie from The Marvels, looking for a similar cosmic bracelet? It feels like the only successful setting up & knocking down they've done is having Yelena get sent after Hawkeye in Black Widow, which then obviously was dealt with in the Hawkeye show.

The multiverse does make the whole thing feel very low stakes and is mostly pointless except in Spider-Man and Loki.

There feels like there have been several films seeing something up, some in the post credits in the films. None of those have paid off so far. When is Harry Styles appearing again or Charlise Theron?

On top of that they killed off half of the mainstays and have made no attempt to have others that feel important to their universe. Where is Hulk, Captain America (except on his boat). What happened to Shang Chi and all the others? Why waste all those alternate characters/actors in Dr Strange?

The same reason everything is broken at Disney: Disney+

It’s just turned the entire operation into an artless content farm that nobody gives a shit about anymore. Apparently the new Wish movie tries to connect all of the old classic films together into a shared universe which I don’t think a single person on earth wanted.

I keep forgetting Shang Chi is a thing. I missed it when it came out, despite hearing it was good and wanting to see it, but I don't think he's shown up in any of the other movies or post credit scenes. Unless I've missed it.

As simple says, the multiverse stuff just seems to be repeating the same things. We get it, there are alternate versions of heroes, and there are x-men somewhere. You've shown us that in No Way Home, MoM, Spiderverse, What If, Marvels, and probably in several of the ones I haven't watched. But what's the point? Other than 'hey look! It's an x-men cameo!'

It sounds like only Quantumania and Loki actually started going somewhere with it, and I'm not sure how many people have even seen those.

The post credits scenes should be setting up the next movie, or hinting at a big bad, not just being fanservice for characters don't seem like they're going to show up again for ages.

Speaking of ignoring and forgetting things, I just remembered there is a fully sentient and alive The Vision floating around after Wandavision.

They should’ve done more of those special presentation one shot type things than full series really

I think it was supposed to.

they can ignore the big thing sticking out of the planet because no-one watched the movie so no-one knows about it

I might watch Hawkeye again this xmas, as a PG Die Hard alternative.

Is this a thing from Eternals?

Most people didn't notice it underneath the oblique Wolverine reference.

I'm sure Disney will be looking forward to this starting...

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