Marvel Cinematic Universe

I love how you capitalised it to make sure, but still didn't get any bites

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By the way, The Marvels has the lowest MCU opening ever, with about $47M. I'm still looking forward to taking the kids to see it next weekend though.

Weirdly, it's rotten tomatoes critics score is 62%, but its audience score is 84%.
It's often been the other way around for big female-led movies due to the audience scores getting review bombed.

Maybe it's just above expectations. Or maybe we're just in a parallel universe.

Funny the comparison with Metacritic. 50% critic rating (critic rating differences isn't that unusual, as people may give a very average score, but still not call it rotten, so often is a bit lower), but only a 3.6 user review rating. Interesting to see such a stark difference in user rating. Don't know if metacritic user scores tend to be lower, but that is a massive disparity between the two.

I expect it is true that part of the box office issue is that a lot of people hold off until they are on Disney+. It would be interesting to see the Disney+ numbers and if Disney are happy with those (I'm sure they would rather them to be box office numbers even if they were pleased with them). Personally, even as someone who is stil reasonably favourable to the MCU films, I can't really imagine watching them on a small screen. They hold my attention well enough when blown up on a big screen and with limited distractions, but at home I think I would be staring at my phone within 20 minutes (I would say that is the case going right back as well and not just the current batch).

There are probably a few ways you can interpret that data, right? Critics gave it a 6/10 'its ok' shoulder shrug so the only people going to see it are the Marvel Ultras who are predisposed to score it highly. Everyone else who remotely cares is waiting for it to drop onto D+. And, of course, the culture wars morons have moved onto something else.

I think the biggest problem they are facing is, basically, apathy.

Most of the Disney+ series have cost roundabout $200m each as well which won’t be helping Marvel’s case with Iger. Especially as at least half of them don’t look like it and they’re mostly too long and generally review as “broadly fine”.

I do still enjoy the MCU but it is insanely costly to produce a franchise that is essentially an idle casual watch.

It’s amazing anyone involved greenlit anywhere near that kind of spend, or even that they spend that much. I don’t know why it irritates me so much, but when the quality is generally poor as well then a few people need different jobs.

I’m sure Loki could have been made on a Dr Who +50% scale budget.

Entirely shot on location, was a reason brought up previously.

Reshoots, apparently.

I’d read it in the Guardian and this is the source they cite: www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe#tab=summary&franchise_movies_overview=od2

I’m assuming looking at the general trend that these prices aren’t being adjusted for inflation since its broadly showing that newer equals significantly more expensive. Even so, and fully acknowledging that I’ve not seen it yet, $274m for the first 90 minute movie they’ve made in a decade seems insane. Especially when you see some of the films behind it and how expensive they looked.

Weird that Doc Strange 2 seems to have been the most successful of the post End Game films (excluding Spider-Man, obviously). Beating the original even, which is unusual in itself.

It was received as being ok, but I don't remember there being much positive buzz about it. It did have strong X-Men nods though. I suspect a good way for the MCU to get out of its current rut is to push on with getting X-Men going. Wolverine and co are clearly the biggest property they have access to, besides Spider-Man.

I think Strange 2 having the X-Men and Fantastic Four in it definitely helped. At the time it felt like maybe this would be the start of Marvel’s next big thing which reenergised the audience a bit. That they didn’t follow through immediately has probably cost them - even if it was known in nerd circles that they never intended too.

Despite Sony’s best efforts I think if Disney announced that the X-Men are back and that they plan on doing FF, Doom and Galactus right then there’s a lot of money it in for them.

I just saw it because it was Sam Raimi, and enjoyed all the Sam Raimi bits of it.

Does anyone actually give a fuck about the Fantastic Four though? May be my own bias but I've just never known anyone to care or read them. Then again I feel the same about Captain America.

I mean, that could work. They are science heroes so the world is their lobster. No reason they can’t time travel or get stuck in orbit, Buck Rogers style.

They could go absolutely balls out with them.