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Post by britesparc on Jul 11, 2023 14:35:29 GMT
I think the films have all done that thing where they get the actors to come up with a lot of alts - ad-lib or workshop new gags, and then decide on which ones they think are best/funniest in the edit and with test screenings. Reynolds was a credited writer on DP2 if memory serves.
So yeah, obviously, there's a script, but the previous two Deadpools did in fact build time into the shoot to allow for improvising on-set. As members of the WGA, they're not allowed to do that anymore, so it could actually be to the film's detriment.
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Post by geefe on Jul 11, 2023 16:16:53 GMT
The thing with a GOOD ad-libbing is allowing the time to build it and then editing like fuck. Spinal Tap is a great example - there's allegedly a four-hour cut of material that was available. They chopped that to 85 minutes.
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Post by simple on Jul 11, 2023 17:58:40 GMT
And you need to cast people who can actually do it. Not, say, Chris Hemsworth. For example.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 18:02:06 GMT
The thing with a GOOD ad-libbing is allowing the time to build it and then editing like fuck. Spinal Tap is a great example - there's allegedly a four-hour cut of material that was available. They chopped that to 85 minutes. all of the Christopher Guest stuff is adlibbed. You can only do that with a strong cast of comedic actors though. I can see Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman pull it off (what can’t Jackman do?), but I don’t know how successful Anna Paquin, James Marsden, or the guy who played Iceman who is also in Quantum Break would be.
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Post by simple on Jul 11, 2023 18:12:21 GMT
After Jury Duty I’ve got faith in Marsden pulling it off
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2023 18:17:28 GMT
Fair enough, I haven’t seen that!
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Post by geefe on Jul 11, 2023 18:18:34 GMT
And you need to cast people who can actually do it. Not, say, Chris Hemsworth. For example. Honestly, the people that stuck up for that film clearly didn't watch it. That amount of capable talent in the room and that's the shite they produce. "My cat is called mike hat" - if that's what they kept in then what the fuck did they leave out?
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 11, 2023 19:44:31 GMT
Same with anchorman, which contained so much ad-libbing, they cobbled together another movie out of it, Spinal Tap is a comedy with little to no plot. It doesn’t really matter if everyone is talking bollocks all the time because it pretty much just a series of sketches. With a ‘proper’ film, if you’ve got to complete the hero’s journey and get someone definitively from A to B, everything important gets lost amongst an onslaught of moronic babbling (see Ghostbusters 2016 for more details).
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Post by aubergine on Jul 12, 2023 10:16:55 GMT
Thor 4 would disagree. Thor 4 sucked though. The process for films like This Is Spinal Tap are a better comparison. The actors had a scene guide of where the situation starts and where it has to end for the sake of the story but the dialogue was almost entirely improvised. Thing was, they would up with more than 100 hours of footage. Can you imagine how much it would cost a production like Thor 4 to film that much? I can’t see it as a process that could be applied successfully to these massive-budget blockbusters because the cost is almost all about the time it takes to film it.
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Post by Nemesis on Jul 12, 2023 14:54:08 GMT
Today on Jules Winnfield Gets A Shotgun....stuff finally happened, yet not much moved forward!
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 12, 2023 15:10:34 GMT
Thor 4 would disagree. Thor 4 sucked though. The process for films like This Is Spinal Tap are a better comparison. The actors had a scene guide of where the situation starts and where it has to end for the sake of the story but the dialogue was almost entirely improvised. Thing was, they would up with more than 100 hours of footage. Can you imagine how much it would cost a production like Thor 4 to film that much? I can’t see it as a process that could be applied successfully to these massive-budget blockbusters because the cost is almost all about the time it takes to film it. I couldn't speak for Bill*, but I expect Rainier Wolfcastle could. *Because I'm a freak that enjoyed Thor 4.
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Post by clemfandango on Jul 12, 2023 15:23:43 GMT
After Jury Duty I’ve got faith in Marsden pulling it off Marsden was great in Anchorman 2 as well
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 12, 2023 15:47:47 GMT
Secret Invasion episode 4 was going pretty well until the final act, the action scene is some of the shittiest, ham fisted garbage on Disney+ since Obiwan and BoBF.
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Post by simple on Jul 17, 2023 21:42:10 GMT
GOTG 3 coming to D+ on August 2nd
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Post by geefe on Jul 17, 2023 22:22:53 GMT
Christ I'll just not bother going to Disney films in cinema if they're dropping that quickly
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Post by Whizzo on Jul 18, 2023 7:56:32 GMT
And Iger wonders why their box office keeps dropping.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 18, 2023 7:59:23 GMT
Christ I'll just not bother going to Disney films in cinema if they're dropping that quickly Thats comparatively slow. They have changed the model slightly so its going to be out to buy for a quite a long window before it drops onto streaming.
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Post by britesparc on Jul 18, 2023 10:35:06 GMT
Yeah, Disney used to shift their films onto D+ in 45 days. This took three months. And I think they usually put them up for digital rental/sale before they're "free" to stream nowadays.
Personally, I think a timescale of three months or so before it's on rental/disc, and then a further three months before it's on free streaming would be better though. I still feel like the expectation of things coming to Disney+ is knocking a good hundred million off the box office of these big movies.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 18, 2023 10:42:43 GMT
I just took my kid to see Guardians 3 at the cinema yesterday. lol. We missed it on the big screen at release because we were in the middle of Infinity War / Endgame. But luckily an art house cinema in the city was showing it this week. Pricey, compared to waiting to watch it on the small screen, but the big screen is still worth it for movies like that imho. Then again, maybe I'd feel differently if I had a massive 4k tv at home or something. PS/ Won't lie, the air conditioning in the cinema was a nice bonus.
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Post by Derblington on Jul 18, 2023 11:40:42 GMT
Having a proper home theater set-up has definitely stopped me hitting the cinema as regularly since Covid, now that things are available to stream so much faster. I still see a few big blockbuster movies a year but typically I'll just rent something once it hits Apple (US account) for $20 instead of paying for the 2 tickets it'd cost me to go to the cinema.
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Post by Reviewer on Jul 18, 2023 11:45:48 GMT
The only cinema films I bother with now are those that feel they need a huge screen and sound, and to go when there’s some hype.
Last year it was Top Gun Maverick, this year it’s MI dead reckoning, Oppenheimer and Dune part 2.
There’s too many marvel films and not enough about them to get excited enough to play the £15 a time.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 18, 2023 12:07:24 GMT
I go to the cinema for anything that is shown in English here. Sometimes the Spanish dubs are just that awful that I refuse to watch them. Unfortunately I don't have a home theater set up.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jul 18, 2023 12:29:11 GMT
I still go to the cinema relatively regularly but marvel movies have felt very 'direct to video' recently, so absolutely not worth dropping actual money on. The only one ive seen at the flicks since endgame was Dr Strange 2 and that was purely because it was a Sam Raimi Jam, and I used to go for pretty much all of them.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 18, 2023 13:21:37 GMT
Still go regularly to cinema. It remains the best way to watch any film and the home experience is never going to compare (unless you actually have your own screening room with a high quality projector and sound system).
I'm fortunate that it doesn't cost much though. My local Vue is just £6 a ticket.
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Post by geefe on Jul 18, 2023 13:24:46 GMT
If I add up travel and cinema ticket, it comes out at around £15 per person. Might as well just rent at home at that price.
I'd happily go to the cinema if there were absolutely no adverts and other people had their phones taken off them and sat in silence.
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Post by britesparc on Jul 18, 2023 13:25:48 GMT
The MCU and Spielberg movies are the only ones that I can say categorically I will definitely see in a cinema. But all the same I try to go as often as I can, at least once a month - used to be nearly once a week but then I had kids ☹️
I do feel for people who don't live in the North though (for many reasons!). My local Vue is a fiver, and I just paid £14 for my IMAX 70mm Oppenheimer ticket.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 18, 2023 13:44:41 GMT
I do feel for people who don't live in the North though (for many reasons!). My local Vue is a fiver, and I just paid £14 for my IMAX 70mm Oppenheimer ticket. I'm in posh leafy Surrey and it is still cheap here. About a year or 2 before COVID, Vue cut their prices here and, I think, it is similar price at all their venues, at least the ones outside of cities. Other chains also have all you can eat memberships that for many would work out being even better.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 18, 2023 14:11:56 GMT
I'm actually beginning to wonder how many cinemas will still be open in a year's time.
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Post by technoish on Jul 18, 2023 14:14:08 GMT
What is the take for studios from a cinema ticket though?
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 18, 2023 14:18:29 GMT
I thought that basically the entire ticket price went to the studio/distributor, and the cinemas mainly survived on the food/drink sales.
But I'm not sure how that can square with Vue selling tickets so cheaply.
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