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Post by Mark1412 on Aug 31, 2024 18:37:24 GMT
Too pissy earlier to see that Everton result. They're a parody of themselves at this point.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Aug 31, 2024 18:45:00 GMT
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Post by neems on Aug 31, 2024 18:53:24 GMT
Too pissy earlier to see that Everton result. They're a parody of themselves at this point. It was extraordinary. They weren't just winning, they completely bossed the second half. And then they shit the bed (fair play to Sinisterra though).
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Aug 31, 2024 18:54:34 GMT
Just seen Leverkusen have done an Everton.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Aug 31, 2024 18:58:12 GMT
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Post by muddyfunster on Aug 31, 2024 19:11:52 GMT
I get the Arsenal fans feel a little hard done by, but the reactions a little OTT. I guess in the good old days dropping two points wasn’t the end of the world. But when you need to be perfect to win the title it changes perspective a bit so I suppose I kind of get it. This is perhaps a bit of it, but I can live with the dropped points. It's the match ban with no chance of appeal that grates the most. Again I'm sure it happens to varying degrees to every club but it's another relatively innocuous moment that has massively oversized consequences because of the arbitrary nature of the rules. Can't get VAR involved in a yellow, can't appeal a second yellow. Automatic ban. Net result Rice misses one (I think/hope not more?) key match for something that quite often passes with nothing more than a shrug. But Jesus can get his buttlehole fingered and Havertz can be throttled by the same offender in the same game and he's seemingly fine to finish that match and play the next without consequence.
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Post by muddyfunster on Aug 31, 2024 19:24:00 GMT
I actually wonder if we do need VAR help for yellows that are apparently considered a binary offence. Just to try and help consistency. E.g. every time a player kicks the ball away after the whistle, VAR calls though to ensure they don't seem so random and bookings aren't forgotten, if that is the rule.
Or if we are to give the ref discretion in this can they explain what they take into account when deciding whether it meets the threshold.
I genuinely don't understand whether kicking the ball is an 'automatic' yellow or not. Many pundits say it is but the evidence of our eyes is that it isn't.
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Post by harrypalmer on Aug 31, 2024 20:23:37 GMT
There’s obviously no conspiracy against Arsenal but that second yellow is one of the most bonkers things I’ve ever seen given. He barely diverts the ball and is absolutely cleaned out in the process. Apply the rules with good judgment and consistency. Not only does it impact this game, but also the next and potentially the title (probably getting ahead of ourselves a little here). For such an innocuous incident the punishment is extreme.
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Post by Dougs on Aug 31, 2024 20:35:09 GMT
I'm pretty sanguine about it really. Letter of the law it's a yellow, no complaints. The issue is inconsistency. But pointless gnashing and wailing about it, as others have said, all clubs can point to similar complaints. Issue for me is definitely transparency and accountability more than conspiracy.
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Post by captbirdseye on Aug 31, 2024 22:22:36 GMT
Sol Bamba
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Post by clemfandango on Aug 31, 2024 22:38:38 GMT
Never seems to happen to city though……
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Post by myk on Aug 31, 2024 22:55:32 GMT
I don't think it's a conspiracy, just that the ref let the game get away from him. No-one would have batted an eye lid at him telling both players to cut it out without any cards. But by that point he was card happy.
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Post by Syrette on Sept 1, 2024 0:53:48 GMT
Sol Bamba 39... Rest in peace.
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Post by monkman5000 on Sept 1, 2024 5:08:52 GMT
For some perspective for the Arsenal fans, last season Willy Boly was given a second yellow for making a clean tackle and being fouled in the process, in the 23rd minute of a game we went on to lose. At least Rice's was actually a yellow.
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Post by Frog on Sept 1, 2024 5:10:12 GMT
They aren't looking for perspective, they want the rest of us to see the conspiracy 😂.
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Post by zisssou on Sept 1, 2024 5:58:52 GMT
I get the Arsenal fans feel a little hard done by, but the reactions a little OTT. I guess in the good old days dropping two points wasn’t the end of the world. But when you need to be perfect to win the title it changes perspective a bit so I suppose I kind of get it. The reactions are natural responses to being passionate about football. If we have to apologise for our passionate behaviour then so be it. Plus if people feel the need to add fuel to troll, then this is also what you get.
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Post by zisssou on Sept 1, 2024 6:01:31 GMT
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Post by monkman5000 on Sept 1, 2024 6:41:50 GMT
I get the Arsenal fans feel a little hard done by, but the reactions a little OTT. I guess in the good old days dropping two points wasn’t the end of the world. But when you need to be perfect to win the title it changes perspective a bit so I suppose I kind of get it. The reactions are natural responses to being passionate about football. If we have to apologise for our passionate behaviour then so be it. Plus if people feel the need to add fuel to troll, then this is also what you get. That's fair, but equally I don't see anybody in this thread trolling. There are of course some sarky responses to "the rule was applied correctly but shouldn't have been" which seems to be your lot's main complaint.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Sept 1, 2024 7:35:19 GMT
When Brighton beat us at home last season Hojlund had a goal ruled out because a ball was judged to have gone out of play before...it had not.
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Post by harrypalmer on Sept 1, 2024 7:36:28 GMT
I know it’s not just Arsenal, obviously. I also know it’s technically a yellow. It’s just mean. 😢
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 1, 2024 7:43:43 GMT
Everton collapse ignores the fact that Bournemouth scored 3 really nice goals.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 1, 2024 7:51:54 GMT
When Brighton beat us at home last season Hojlund had a goal ruled out because a ball was judged to have gone out of play before...it had not. This is the problem though. There's no accountability and no joined up approach by clubs across the league. We all know PGMOL isn't up to scratch - the countless poor decisions and inconsistencies show that. Clubs should be banding together to demand things change but often too focused on how a decision benefits their team. (See comments by Brighton's manager for the latest example).
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Post by Zomoniac on Sept 1, 2024 7:58:24 GMT
Sol Bamba Absolute hero. Proper leader, nicest guy, and spoke out publicly against our owners whilst he was club captain because he thought it was the right thing to do. FCUTA.
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Post by Tomo on Sept 1, 2024 8:07:13 GMT
Prepared to watch the Rice video and then come prod the butthurt Arse fans... But my god, that is an horrendous decision lolll
I didn't even see him flick the ball away at first. Thought he'd been carded for diving after the guy kicked through him.
I'd be livid with that sending off too.
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Post by zisssou on Sept 1, 2024 8:30:26 GMT
The reactions are natural responses to being passionate about football. If we have to apologise for our passionate behaviour then so be it. Plus if people feel the need to add fuel to troll, then this is also what you get. That's fair, but equally I don't see anybody in this thread trolling. There are of course some sarky responses to "the rule was applied correctly but shouldn't have been" which seems to be your lot's main complaint. We’re all sensitive souls when we’re being passionate
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Post by JonFE on Sept 1, 2024 10:25:42 GMT
I'm no Arsenal fan and I'm willing to bet that most fans hand-waving the ref's decision as "those are the rules, deal with it", would be livid if the same happened against their team; I certainly would be. Rice's touch on the ball was way too soft to be penalised with a second yellow card, for me it doesn't even warrant a first yellow card.
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Post by simple on Sept 1, 2024 10:26:44 GMT
Tell me why Havertz having his throat grabbed wasn’t a red. Is that not the letter of the law? The Havertz choke is up there with the Joelinton clothesline for “how did that not get a second look” baffling refereeing decisions for me. They’re both so obvious. The Rice one looks soft but it was, at least, the correct interpretation of the law. Even if it was a bit of a jobsworthy application of it. I do suspect that the stat of 95+% of correct decisions being made still stands up. Its just we’ve got so much more opportunity to dwell and ruminate on the handful of bad ones that they seem like a systemic crisis across all of refereeing. Apart than for City most of these probably balance out across the season anyway.
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Post by kingbambino on Sept 1, 2024 10:52:14 GMT
Apparently Van De Ven is injured ! Massive loss if so
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 1, 2024 11:17:01 GMT
Apparently Van De Ven is injured ! Massive loss if so Yep
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Post by Dougs on Sept 1, 2024 11:22:47 GMT
Where did Odobert come from? He looked decent vs Everton (so would my gran etc).
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